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    Obama-Backed Solar Plant Could Be Shut Down For Not Producing Enough Energy

    Once again we see that green energy does not work is inefficient and a waste of money. This shows we will need fossil fuels for a long time to provide our energy

    DOE-Backed Solar Plant May Close For Under-Producing Energy | The Daily Caller

    California regulators may force a massive solar thermal power plant in the Mojave Desert to shut down after years of under-producing electricity — not to mention the plant was blinding pilots flying over the area and incinerating birds.

    The Ivanpah solar plant could be shut down if state regulators don’t give it more time to meet electricity production promises it made as part of its power purchase agreements with utilities, according to The Wall Street Journal.



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    Ivanpah Solar Production Up 170% in 2015

    The Wall Street Journal has returned attention to the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, the $2.2 billion Department of Energy-backed concentrating solar power plant whose slow start became the subject of some controversy after a Breaking Energy story last fall.

    The Journal reported that “15 months after starting up, the California plant is producing just 40 percent” of the electricity it was expected to generate. The paper said Ivanpah’s operator, NRG, expects the plant to “reach power targets once the kinks are worked out,” but surprisingly didn’t check that claim against the latest data: In the first quarter of this year, Ivanpah generation was up 170 percent over the same quarter in 2014 – 108 gigawatt-hours compared to 40 GWh, according to the Energy Information Administration.

    “As we expected, our operating crew’s expertise with the technology is increasing all the time and the plant is continuing to increase its generation,” the statement read. “In March, Ivanpah produced the second most power it has ever done in a single month. April exceeded that level of generation within just the first two-thirds of the month and ultimately set a new record for power generated in a single month.”
    Ivanpah Solar Production Up 170% in 2015 « Breaking Energy - Energy industry news, analysis, and commentary
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post

    What is your point. You show nothing. The solar power plant is not meeting it's contract production so it is inefficient and not able to produce what was promised. Another example green energy does not work well
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Once again we see that green energy does not work is inefficient and a waste of money. This shows we will need fossil fuels for a long time to provide our energy

    DOE-Backed Solar Plant May Close For Under-Producing Energy | The Daily Caller

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Even with the increase they are still falling way short of minimum performance. And there is this:

    We reported in January (“Ivanpah Solar Plant Picking Up Steam”) that it’s possible that Ivanpah’s performance has also been aided by an allowance to use more natural gas – 60 percent more than originally planned – which gives the plant a boost in starting up in the morning and avoiding losing steam through brief cloudy periods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What is your point. You show nothing. The solar power plant is not meeting it's contract production so it is inefficient and not able to produce what was promised. Another example green energy does not work well
    You've made Daily Caller's point. Let the people decide. No power generating plant runs at 100% capacity. That is asinine.




    Real world capacity factors

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    According to the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), in 2009 the capacity factors were as follows:

    Nuclear–90.3%
    Coal–63.8%
    Natural Gas Plant–42.5%
    Hydroelectric–39.8%
    Renewables (Wind/Solar/Biomass)–33.9%
    Oil–7.8%
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You've made Daily Caller's point. Let the people decide. No power generating plant runs at 100% capacity. That is asinine.

    They are not meeting the goals they set in the contract. That is a breech of the contract and shows the plant is much more inefficient than anyone expected. It is a useless waste of money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Even with the increase they are still falling way short of minimum performance. And there is this:
    what are the minimum standards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    They are not meeting the goals they set in the contract. That is a breech of the contract and shows the plant is much more inefficient than anyone expected. It is a useless waste of money
    what is the goal and show they are not being met. You have a WSJ/DailyCaller report that has been refuted by Energy Industry analysis. You are making unproven claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What is your point. You show nothing. The solar power plant is not meeting it's contract production so it is inefficient and not able to produce what was promised. Another example green energy does not work well
    According to this, its preforming as expected.

    Ivanpah officials have maintained that they always expected it to take about four years for the plant ramp up to peak production levels.

    An official with BrightSource Energy said in statement Thursday that the plant remains on track.

    “There was a more than a 50 percent increase in production during the second year of operation compared to the first,” Joe Desmond, a BrightSource senior vice president, said in the statement.
    “Now entering its third year, this first-of-its-kind solar thermal project continues to set new production records and we are confident the plant will ramp up to full production as originally planned.”

    SOLAR POWER: PUC gives Ivanpah plant operators more time to increase output - Press Enterprise

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