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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Never underestimate the publics' lack of understanding of science. One would think that people would understand that antibiotics are only effective for bacteria, but then one would think that evolution is the basis of modern biology, and a whole lot of other things that seem to have escaped the public at large.
    Yes very true this is why it always amazes me when people seem to know nothing about viruses. Like I said i learned just a little about them and I am far from am expert but what I learned in ninth grade biology stuck. Our teacher had us build models of viruses. He also taught us how they work. For example people never seem to grasp that despite what they experience they do not catch the same cold every winter. When you get a cold your body fights it off and builds an immunity to the virus which caused it. The next cold you suffer from will be caused by a different rhino virus which you have no immunity to. The symptoms are the same but the virus is different every time.

    We still cannot cure viral infections at all. There is a great deal of promise being shown by various researchers and scientists but still no cure. We can prevent them through vaccines and we can treat the symptoms but we cannot cure them. Hopefully if the promise being talked about in many fields pans out we will start to see real progess made in curing viral infections within the next few decades.

    Like I said others must not have been taught this basic stuff or just never paid attention.

    The article is also right about GMOs. The various forms of opposition to GMO foods is just never based on any truth or accuracy. IF you wish to avoid them and eat organic fine go right ahead. But the fact is the reasoning is usually false and also there really are not any truly organic crops. The vast majority of organic foods are still just GMO crops grown by corporate farms which simply charges more for stuff which does not taste as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    What was the main premise behind Mann's work?

    Compare that to the pre-requisite for post #44 to be accurate.

    That's the problem with grasping in that manner, you wind up not considering the implications of the refutation.

    If you require further clarification, I will accept that as a concession that you don't truly grasp the subject.
    RNG made TWO assertions in post #44, to wit:

    The hypothesis says that with increasing CO2 there will be increasing temperature and the data shows that to be the case.

    Your claim that for the past 20 years the temperatures have been almost flat means you have a singular impression of what almost means.

    Michael Mann does NOT disagree with EITHER of those assertions. If you think he does, I am deeply afraid it is YOU that is revealing your IGNORANCE for all the world to see.

    You seem to do that VERY often. Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    RNG made TWO assertions in post #44, to wit:

    The hypothesis says that with increasing CO2 there will be increasing temperature and the data shows that to be the case.

    Your claim that for the past 20 years the temperatures have been almost flat means you have a singular impression of what almost means.

    Michael Mann does NOT disagree with EITHER of those assertions. If you think he does, I am deeply afraid it is YOU that is revealing your IGNORANCE for all the world to see.

    You seem to do that VERY often. Why?
    Lmao... playing dumb to look smart only works with people dumber than you pretend to be.... I'm not sure who lied to you and said that playing dumb is how to win a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Lmao... playing dumb to look smart only works with people dumber than you pretend to be.... I'm not sure who lied to you and said that playing dumb is how to win a debate.
    You get my vote for the most worthless poster on PH, bmanmcfly. WHENEVER I debunk your idiotic assertions, this is the kind of vapid and content-free response you always submit. Again. Michael Mann DOES NOT DISPUTE ANYTHING THAT RNG SAID.

    You're flailing, and failing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You get my vote for the most worthless poster on PH, bmanmcfly. WHENEVER I debunk your idiotic assertions, this is the kind of vapid and content-free response you always submit. Again. Michael Mann DOES NOT DISPUTE ANYTHING THAT RNG SAID.

    You're flailing, and failing.
    Lmao... it might look like that, but maybe you really don't see that you debunk nothing by playing dumb.

    It's just your empty meaningless claims...

    OK, "hockey stick curve"...

    That alone proves you either don't know what you are talking about, or you are pretending not to know because somehow playing dumb is supposed to make you look smart.

    Unless he's retracted that paper and I missed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I think the article is wrong with regard to #1.

    "Exercise will help you lose weight"

    The article says this isn't true; and I'm saying that it's absolutely true. The article states that "exercise isnít the most effective way to slim down." But that's not the claim. The claim is that exercise helps - and I maintain that it's true.
    Could it be because muscle weighs more than fat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    That's a gross understatement. For 10 years they tied everyone up in court over milk from cows that don't take hormones. For many of those years, retailers had refused to sell milk from cows that took hormones but we weren't allowed to know from the label. Because Monsanto wouldn't allow it.
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    Not true. Dairy farms are allowed to label their milk "Hormone-Free."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    That's a gross understatement. For 10 years they tied everyone up in court over milk from cows that don't take hormones. For many of those years, retailers had refused to sell milk from cows that took hormones but we weren't allowed to know from the label. Because Monsanto wouldn't allow it.

    It's our business what we want to buy or not by. They have no right to refuse us choice. And the corruption cannot be ignored. Monsanto execs appointed to the FDA to make decisions about Monsanto products! hello?
    Sorry, this is an exaggeration. THey do what any company does, protect their business from thieves. Dishonest organic websites are the ones that spread the same bs stories around and people think its so widespread.

    What corruption? Someone who has experience in the industry should be heading up the FDA, no? Unless he is getting payments from Monstanto to give them favorable review, then the corruption charge is bogus. Plus, he has no say in the approval process. He runs the agency, the people underneath him are the ones that review the data. THis is just conspiracy and bs spread by organic websites, while they fleece you for paying double for something not safer.

    And nearly all seeds are not reused by farmers, they go back and buy fresh seeds every year, so its not much different with GMOs. Other than they are much better, cost more, but end up costing the farmer less in spraying and losses in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Not true. Dairy farms are allowed to label their milk "Hormone-Free."
    And GMO free if they sell products. The people that make this claim are just doing it because they want to hurt GMOs, they think its bad without any facts to support it, so have to believe these lies, make these ridiculous statements about labeling. Crops didn't have to be called "non-organic" or "pesticide sprayed", those that wanted to sell organic could label it as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Lmao... it might look like that, but maybe you really don't see that you debunk nothing by playing dumb.

    It's just your empty meaningless claims...

    OK, "hockey stick curve"...

    That alone proves you either don't know what you are talking about, or you are pretending not to know because somehow playing dumb is supposed to make you look smart.

    Unless he's retracted that paper and I missed it
    Why would or should he retract a scientifically accurate paper?!?? You appear to think that the paper has been debunked. It most certainly has not. Rather, the efforts to debunk it have been rudely debunked.

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