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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    No, they're not. As I have ALREADY pointed out. DUH!
    Well they do kill cats. But dogs have a large carbon footprint, which makes it very selfish for environmentally conscious people to own them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Well they do kill cats. But dogs have a large carbon footprint, which makes it very selfish for environmentally conscious people to own them.
    Carbon footprints are one thing, effectiveness as predators is another. If there is ONE problem the human race faces that is even WORSE than rapid climate change, it is the sixth major mass extinction that is currently underway. And cats are MUCH worse than dogs when it comes to killing endangered animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Carbon footprints are one thing, effectiveness as predators is another. If there is ONE problem the human race faces that is even WORSE than rapid climate change, it is the sixth major mass extinction that is currently underway. And cats are MUCH worse than dogs when it comes to killing endangered animals.
    Coydogs are a serious issue where I live. The hybrids are very effective killers and kill up to deer sized game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    One reason for his, BTW, is that dogs are not very 'efficient' as predators.....unless they get in a PACK. Individual dogs are rarely successful in catching a squirrel or a rabbit or a bird. Cats evolved as solitary predators, and are HIGHLY efficient predators, with a much higher success rate at catching and killing prey animals than solitary dogs.
    Depends on the dog. Mine was a good hunter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Coydogs are a serious issue where I live. The hybrids are very effective killers and kill up to deer sized game.
    I don't doubt that at all. Coydogs are a problem where I live as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Depends on the dog. Mine was a good hunter.
    Perhaps. But are you disputing that cats, as SOLITARY predators, are vastly more efficient than dogs? For one thing, dogs cannot climb trees to prey on birds and squirrels. Cats can. Did your dog climb trees on his hunting expeditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Perhaps. But are you disputing that cats, as SOLITARY predators, are vastly more efficient than dogs? For one thing, dogs cannot climb trees to prey on birds and squirrels. Cats can. Did your dog climb trees on his hunting expeditions?
    You said that solitary dogs don't hunt well. I disputed that fallacy. Also, mine still hunted although she was fed by me. My cats do not. Not even to play with.

    This past spring there was a bird's next in my patio above where the thug cat hangs out. Mama or Papa kept griping at my cat to leave which he wouldn't but he never paid them any attention. Not even the vulnerable little babies.

    PS I hope they do that this year. Watching baby birds take their first flights was fun. One fell into something on my patio and had a hard time getting out. If they come back I will make my patio more friendly for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You said that solitary dogs don't hunt well. I disputed that fallacy. Also, mine still hunted although she was fed by me. My cats do not. Not even to play with.

    This past spring there was a bird's next in my patio above where the thug cat hangs out. Mama or Papa kept griping at my cat to leave which he wouldn't but he never paid them any attention. Not even the vulnerable little babies.

    PS I hope they do that this year. Watching baby birds take their first flights was fun. One fell into something on my patio and had a hard time getting out. If they come back I will make my patio more friendly for them.
    You're arguing anecdotes and I'm arguing statistics. I STRONGLY encourage you to read the article "The Case Against Cats" in the latest [December 2016] issue of The Atlantic. A few choice excerpts:

    "A 2013 study found that outdoor cats in the U.S. kill somewhere between 1.3 billion and 4 billion birds and between 6.3 billion and 22.3 billion mammals EACH YEAR. It's fair to say....that cats may be considered 'nightmarish invaders, capable of ransacking whole ecosystems and annihilating feebler life-forms in their path.'"

    In the Hawaiian Islands, felines "prey on endangered birds such as the petrel, the nene, the Laysan albatross, and have helped decimate the Hawaiian crow."

    "In Australia, with its 3 million pet cats and 20 million feral cats (and about 23 million people), cats have contributed to wiping out several mouse, rat, and bandicoot species. They currently threaten the much-beloved greater bilby. Cats are implicated, according to one study, in 14 percent of all reptile, mammal, and bird extinctions on islands...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    You're arguing anecdotes and I'm arguing statistics. I STRONGLY encourage you to read the article "The Case Against Cats" in the latest [December 2016] issue of The Atlantic. A few choice excerpts:

    "A 2013 study found that outdoor cats in the U.S. kill somewhere between 1.3 billion and 4 billion birds and between 6.3 billion and 22.3 billion mammals EACH YEAR. It's fair to say....that cats may be considered 'nightmarish invaders, capable of ransacking whole ecosystems and annihilating feebler life-forms in their path.'"

    In the Hawaiian Islands, felines "prey on endangered birds such as the petrel, the nene, the Laysan albatross, and have helped decimate the Hawaiian crow."

    "In Australia, with its 3 million pet cats and 20 million feral cats (and about 23 million people), cats have contributed to wiping out several mouse, rat, and bandicoot species. They currently threaten the much-beloved greater bilby. Cats are implicated, according to one study, in 14 percent of all reptile, mammal, and bird extinctions on islands...."
    Humans are the worst ecological disaster in the world. I am never going to agree with you that animals doing what is natural is the same or worse.

    Humans are the ones not spaying and neutering cats and are responsible for their over-population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Humans are the worst ecological disaster in the world. I am never going to agree with you that animals doing what is natural is the same or worse.

    Humans are the ones not spaying and neutering cats and are responsible for their over-population.
    Yes, humans ARE the worst ecological disaster in the world. In PART because we are ALLOWING our domesticated animals, cats in particular, to wreak utter HAVOC on endangered species.

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