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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    It's written as gobbldey**** because the conclusions are so weak. Your respect for nonsense is unwarranted. Making them seem incomprehensible is part of the method.

    You can't have science without a baseline, so what is the baseline?

    1) Here's the baseline

    2) Here's what would have occurred if we had not had an industrial revolution.

    3) Here's what we have.

    4) Here is the difference. That's the part the industrial revolution is responsible for.

    This very simple, logical method is not apparent in this piece.

    If you think not, please show us.

    The giant headline is a dead giveaway. The horribly written explanation is a cover-up of the no science conclusion.

    The "You didn't build that" crowd is being ushered out of town for semantic butchery.

    Give it up.
    Gobledeyguck? Gimme a break. That was about the most dumbed down newswire article from Reuters I've seen in a long time. I'm a little surprised you couldn't follow it. Seemed to me they made it pretty easily understandable for even people with a barely adequate high school science education. The article was about the conclusion of the the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service.

    Must every article that even mentions the conclusions of scientific research associations explain the entire history of their research from day one every single time? Start here:

    http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima..._SPM_FINAL.pdf
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    Here are two sources clearly showing the pre-industrial revolution trend lines bending upwards markedly with the start of massive industrial coal use. Sun spot activity and the earth's orbit do not explain this change in trends. The only known cause is man's influence.

    And science has shown that CO2 is the main driver.

    World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

    http://ccir.ciesin.columbia.edu/nyc/pdf/q1b.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Here are two sources clearly showing the pre-industrial revolution trend lines bending upwards markedly with the start of massive industrial coal use. Sun spot activity and the earth's orbit do not explain this change in trends. The only known cause is man's influence.

    And science has shown that CO2 is the main driver.

    World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

    http://ccir.ciesin.columbia.edu/nyc/pdf/q1b.pdf
    A total waste of effort trying to educate the uneducable who insist on defending the indefensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    A total waste of effort trying to educate the uneducable who insist on defending the indefensible.
    What is indefensible?

    I'm guessing violations of thermodynamics would count, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    What is indefensible?

    I'm guessing violations of thermodynamics would count, right?
    You are going to have to expand on that one. Where are laws of thermo being violated, and who are you claiming is advocating something that does?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    What is indefensible?

    I'm guessing violations of thermodynamics would count, right?
    It would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    A total waste of effort trying to educate the uneducable who insist on defending the indefensible.
    I know. People have been convenced that the LITTLE ICE AGE is optimum climate.. Mississippi River freezing and daming up the Arkansas and red And Missouri rivers and causing mass flooding in the plains states. Optimum climate where the Growing seasons is 20-40 days shorter than the current growing seasons. Those people are hard to educate.
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    You will notice they never respond to the need for a simple baseline. The typical response is.....

    1) You are too stupid to understand

    2) The Consensus understands. Bend to its wisdom.

    How about giving me a baseline and showing me how AGW has changed the baseline?

    This is something we can understand.

    Which is why we will never get it (because they don't have one).

    Examine 20,000 years before now to now. The natural cycle has, on average, been going straight up for
    the entire time. The industrial revolution occurred less than 200 years ago. it occurred in the context of a natural increase.

    So the obvious question is how do we separate the natural increase from the changes imposed
    by AGW?

    And anyone who can't see that natural increase is plainly blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Here are two sources clearly showing the pre-industrial revolution trend lines bending upwards markedly with the start of massive industrial coal use. Sun spot activity and the earth's orbit do not explain this change in trends. The only known cause is man's influence.

    And science has shown that CO2 is the main driver.

    World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

    http://ccir.ciesin.columbia.edu/nyc/pdf/q1b.pdf
    Nope, incorrect H2O is the main Green House gas.. not CO2.. Methane is the 2nd most problematic Green House Gas.


    all of which are >97% natural


    http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
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    They were worried about global cooling in the 70's. Then they switched to global warming. Now they can't even say that, say they went to climate change.

    It's just one more excuse to dictate how we live our lives.

    Tell me, if Africa ever starts developing like China do you think they are going to give a rat's ass about the size of their carbon footprint? No.

    Half of emissions are from heating and electricity and agriculture/ land use. You know, like the essentials to living in a civilized society.
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