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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    You are going to have to expand on that one. Where are laws of thermo being violated, and who are you claiming is advocating something that does?


    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It would.

    You know, things like lossless feedback loops... as opposed to logarithmic feedback.

    I've not run the numbers, but that would be more consistent with other natural phenomenon I've looked at... but hockey stick curves are sexier and scarier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    You know, things like lossless feedback loops... as opposed to logarithmic feedback.

    I've not run the numbers, but that would be more consistent with other natural phenomenon I've looked at... but hockey stick curves are sexier and scarier.
    Alas for you, Michael Mann's famous hockey stick curve happens to be an accurate representation of REALITY.

    Some of us DO prefer to live in the real world.

    And others, not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    You know, things like lossless feedback loops... as opposed to logarithmic feedback.

    I've not run the numbers, but that would be more consistent with other natural phenomenon I've looked at... but hockey stick curves are sexier and scarier.
    No I don't know things like "lossless feedback loops as opposed to logarithmic feedback loops." You can't hide the fact that you just claimed some bullshit about the concept of global warming defying the laws of thermodynamics with doubletalk vocab flourishes. You haven't run the numbers... no kidding!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    No I don't know things like "lossless feedback loops as opposed to logarithmic feedback loops." You can't hide the fact that you just claimed some bullshit about the concept of global warming defying the laws of thermodynamics with doubletalk vocab flourishes. You haven't run the numbers... no kidding!?
    bmanmcfly is a well-known scientific poseur who likes to throw around big words like 'enthalpy' and 'logarithmic', while failing to demonstrate that he actually UNDERSTANDS the words. Almost ALL the feedback loops we need to worry about with regard to global warming are POSITIVE feedback loops that will AMPLIFY global warming, such as melting ice in the Arctic leading to a decrease in the Earth's albedo, meaning the Earth will absorb even more heat, rather than reflecting it back into space; or melting permafrost in the high Arctic leading to large discharges of methane into the atmosphere.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    bmanmcfly is a well-known scientific poseur who likes to throw around big words like 'enthalpy' and 'logarithmic', while failing to demonstrate that he actually UNDERSTANDS the words. Almost ALL the feedback loops we need to worry about with regard to global warming are POSITIVE feedback loops that will AMPLIFY global warming, such as melting ice in the Arctic leading to a decrease in the Earth's albedo, meaning the Earth will absorb even more heat, rather than reflecting it back into space; or melting permafrost in the high Arctic leading to large discharges of methane into the atmosphere.....
    Don't scare him away... I was hoping to hear more about "logarithmic feedback loops"... is that what happens when you turn it up to eleven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    And yet......and yet.....TNVolunteer FREQUENTLY regales us with his interesting graph of climate cycles going back 400 THOUSAND YEARS!!!, from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

    How on EARTH did they figure all that out, since 'weather records only go back 150 years'?!?!????

    The massive cognitive dissonance SHOULD cause TNVolunteer's head to simply EXPLODE, and would, if there was any cognition there to begin with.
    if you had read my link, ICE CORE SAMPLES..... and Tree Rings, and Sea Bed Samples.

    But then again, you choose to make Fake News Strories to post about Trump and his Supporters than to educate yourself. FYI Oak Ridge National Laboratories climate Record only covers the last 150,000 years not 400,000 it was GSS that has gathered 400,000 years of Data Just so you don't sound stupid again.
    Last edited by TNVolunteer73; 10th January 2017 at 08:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Alas for you, Michael Mann's famous hockey stick curve happens to be an accurate representation of REALITY.

    Some of us DO prefer to live in the real world.

    And others, not so much.
    Lmao ... then why are you creating such delusions.


    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    No I don't know things like "lossless feedback loops as opposed to logarithmic feedback loops." You can't hide the fact that you just claimed some bullshit about the concept of global warming defying the laws of thermodynamics with doubletalk vocab flourishes. You haven't run the numbers... no kidding!?
    I suppose the concept of perpetual motion machines sound logical to you too.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    bmanmcfly is a well-known scientific poseur who likes to throw around big words like 'enthalpy' and 'logarithmic', while failing to demonstrate that he actually UNDERSTANDS the words. Almost ALL the feedback loops we need to worry about with regard to global warming are POSITIVE feedback loops that will AMPLIFY global warming, such as melting ice in the Arctic leading to a decrease in the Earth's albedo, meaning the Earth will absorb even more heat, rather than reflecting it back into space; or melting permafrost in the high Arctic leading to large discharges of methane into the atmosphere.....
    Speak for yourself... entering a discussion about measuring energy of a thermodynamic system without wanting to discuss the measurement of energy in a thermodynamic system.

    Also, given your claimed scientific background, how is the concept of a logarithmic relationship causing this level of grief? BTW, so that those who think acting dumb can make them look smart, a log relationship occurs, like when charging a capacitor, as you add electrical charge, increasing charge is partially repulsed by the acquired charge until it reaches it's limit or saturation point.

    Remember, out of the 2 of us, only one has claimed more than one area of expertise.... and I've been consistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    Don't scare him away... I was hoping to hear more about "logarithmic feedback loops"... is that what happens when you turn it up to eleven?

    Google is your friend...

    Remind me, how does pretending you don't understand relevant concepts supposed to make you come across as the smartest person in the room?

    It's a surprisingly common tactic that makes no logical sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Alas for you, Michael Mann's famous hockey stick curve happens to be an accurate representation of REALITY.

    Some of us DO prefer to live in the real world.

    And others, not so much.
    Michael mann Hockey Stick is only a Hockey stick if you start your data during the LITTLE ICE AGE. (Between 1300-1900).

    if you start you data 1000 Ad it is not a hockey stick it is a U if you go back 150,000 the hockey stick turns into a "UU" 400,000 that hockey stick becomes a "UUUU"

    Climates move in cycles.. that match a rhythm .. you know what a Sine wave is don't you?




    now notice the rhythmic cycles of our climate warming and cooling like a sine wave not a hockey stick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Michael mann Hockey Stick is only a Hockey stick if you start your data during the LITTLE ICE AGE. (Between 1300-1900).

    if you start you data 1000 Ad it is not a hockey stick it is a U if you go back 150,000 the hockey stick turns into a "UU" 400,000 that hockey stick becomes a "UUUU"
    Also, the code was examined, and you could put ANY dataset into the model and it would spit out a hockey stick...

    Not that these cultists will look into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    I suppose the concept of perpetual motion machines sound logical to you too.
    No it doesn't, but that's yet another irrelevant tangent that you are bringing up. Logic? Now you want to discuss logic too? How many things unrelated to the topic do you intend on introducing to the conversation?


    Speak for yourself... entering a discussion about measuring energy of a thermodynamic system without wanting to discuss the measurement of energy in a thermodynamic system.

    Also, given your claimed scientific background, how is the concept of a logarithmic relationship causing this level of grief? BTW, so that those who think acting dumb can make them look smart, a log relationship occurs, like when charging a capacitor, as you add electrical charge, increasing charge is partially repulsed by the acquired charge until it reaches it's limit or saturation point.

    Remember, out of the 2 of us, only one has claimed more than one area of expertise.... and I've been consistent.
    I guess you weren't done with irrelevant tangents. Now you want to dazzle us your electrical knowledge? Could you tell us about treatments for ADD while you're at it?

    Google is your friend...

    Remind me, how does pretending you don't understand relevant concepts supposed to make you come across as the smartest person in the room?

    It's a surprisingly common tactic that makes no logical sense...
    There you go again pretending this has anything to do with logic. You claimed that global warming theory defies the laws of thermodynamics, but when asked to explain such a bold and ludicrous claim, you disappear behind ever changing smoke and mirror type responses.

    Why not simply explain yourself? I have a guess as to why you won't.

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