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    @BigLeRoy the earth was not created in 1881.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Moreover, the so-called Little Ice Age seems to have affected only the North Atlantic region, a rather small part of the Earth. [Though perhaps not to folks with a thoroughly Euro-centric worldview; they look at those distorted Mercator maps of the world and get the impression that Europe is as big as Africa, when it is actually only a FRACTION of the size....]
    In my best Fonzi voice INCORRECTIMUNDO @BigLeRoy


    The Medieval Warm Period (950-1250AD) is apparent in the Northern Hemisphere reconstruction, while in the Southern Hemisphere there was an extended warm phase between 1200 and 1350. Both hemispheres then experienced a long-term cooling trend, with the peak of the Little Ice Age from 1594-1677. Since the 1970s both hemispheres have experienced synchronised warming extremes. Figure c shows simultaneous extreme periods in both hemispheres. Some of the model simulation results deviate from the reconstructions at times when external forcings (volcanic eruptions, solar radiation, greenhouse gases) were more extreme (d), as a result of the models’ over-emphasis on these forcings. The axis ‘fraction of ensemble members’ refers to the number of proxy records that show the warming or cooling trend. (First published in Nature Climate Change doi: 10.1038/NCLIMATE2174).
    Historical temperature reconstructions show hemispheric differences — Australian Antarctic Division

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    @BigLeRoy the earth was not created in 1881.
    No shit, Sherlock. The Earth is roughly 4.56 BILLION years old, not the 2.2 billion years you LUDICROUSLY claimed in another thread a few months back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
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    Hmmm I provided data showing my statements to be factual..

    what did you provide to show your data to be correct. OH Wait NOT ONE DARN THING.
    The bottom graph in post #47 is NOT a sine wave, and you provided ZERO evidence to the contrary, which is hardly a surprise, because there is no evidence you COULD provide to show that that graph is a sine wave.

    Man, the DUMBNESS just ASTOUNDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Loving it...



    See, this is why playing dumb just makes you look dumb...

    You see, when you accept a prospect like a hockey stick curve, then you are saying that every atom of co2 holds a constant value of heat... much like how those of us who live in reality as opposed to delusion know that perpetual motion is not possible because you have to consider the mitigating factors, like friction in that case.

    I'll bring up as many scientific concepts as necessary to illustrate the points that refute your opinions.




    It's the same reason your car will accelerate faster from 0-60 than from 61-120.... again, these are just analogies so that if you apply your implied scientific knowledge you would be forced to concede reality.




    I know, clearly, logic does not enter the consideration before you post, otherwise you would realize that playing dumb is not a method to look smart... you don't join mensa by intentionally failing their test.

    Anyway, that's not QUITE what I said, but that's the type of reaction you expect when the beliefs of a religious zealot is challenged... I had intentionally framed things in such a way that if you actually knew what you were talking about, then you would realize what I was referring to, even going so far as to provide multiple analogous examples to illustrate it...

    You see, I like to win. So, how was the best way to win? (Even though you have yet to realize it) I went through the process of first demonstrating that I've got a clue what I'm talking about, while simultaneously showing that you both understand little to nothing of the topics you are speaking and cannot be trusted to provide accurate knowledge... I wish I could see your face next week when you realize it.
    The heat capacity of CO2 is a total red herring. This statement itself proves that you know nothing about science and especially climate science. The heat capacity of a 450 ppm component of the atmosphere is irrelevant, but again you get to use a bunch of 8 cylinder words that probably impress the hell out of you.

    And the car acceleration point is probably even more irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    A total waste of effort trying to educate the uneducable who insist on defending the indefensible.
    Don't worry- Trump will shut down any research being done. We won't have to argue with the right about it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

    From the link: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Third Assessment Report considered the timing and areas affected by the Little Ice Age suggested largely-independent regional climate changes rather than a globally-synchronous increased glaciation. At most, there was modest cooling of the Northern Hemisphere during the period.[10]

    Also from the link: Although the original designation of a Little Ice Age referred to reduced temperature of Europe and North America, there is some evidence of extended periods of cooling outside this region, but it is not clear whether they are related or independent events. Mann states:[3]

    While there is evidence that many other regions outside Europe exhibited periods of cooler conditions, expanded glaciation, and significantly altered climate conditions, the timing and nature of these variations are highly variable from region to region, and the notion of the Little Ice Age as a globally synchronous cold period has all but been dismissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    The heat capacity of CO2 is a total red herring. This statement itself proves that you know nothing about science and especially climate science. The heat capacity of a 450 ppm component of the atmosphere is irrelevant, but again you get to use a bunch of 8 cylinder words that probably impress the hell out of you.
    Explain? Also, what is the red herring diverting from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    There actually was some reason to fear a global cooling in the 60s. I wasn't aware that it went into the 70s. It was due to the rapid increase in particulate emissions from vehicles, including the, by today's standards crude gasoline engines, the diesels you probably remember belching black smoke out the stacks and totally unscrubbed coal burning factories and power plants of the day.

    Think about the documented short term world cooling seen following massive volcanic eruptions.

    And this was the target of the first round of air pollution regulations.
    Both Time and Newsweek ran silly cover stories in the 1970's proclaiming that an era of global cooling was at hand. I recall reading a scientific article, probably from the mid-1980's, which presented evidence that global warming was taking place more rapidly in the Southern Hemisphere than the Northern, because most of the particulate emissions you are talking about were being emitted in the much more industrialized Northern Hemisphere, which was indeed BLOCKING some of the warming that would have occurred. And yes, the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in particular slowed global warming for a few years, especially because the Pinatubo eruption occurred very close to the equator, so that the volcanic emissions had a big effect on BOTH hemispheres.....

    P.S. I wish I had the exact dates for those cover stories in Time and Newsweek. I don't have that info on hand. Would have to go look them up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Explain? Also, what is the red herring diverting from?
    Diverting from the mechanism of how CO2 acts as a greenhouse gas.

    And what do you want explained?
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