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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Scientific reality does not care what religion thinks. Nor should it.
    Sounds like an absolute. But I think you're equating the two as competing systems so to speak. Not much of a religious person myself so I see the organized religion as something different than religion that I might characterize as spritual. At any rate probably of no interest to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Sounds like an absolute.
    Yes. Religion is not science, and science is not religion, and never the twain shall meet.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    But I think you're equating the two as competing systems so to speak.
    They are not. However, they are often treated as such, and the overwhelming majority of opposition to science tends to come from religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Yes. Religion is not science, and science is not religion, and never the twain shall meet.


    They are not. However, they are often treated as such, and the overwhelming majority of opposition to science tends to come from religion.
    My question is when does science become dogma like a religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    My question is when does science become dogma like a religion?
    I reject the premise of your question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    My question is when does science become dogma like a religion?
    Never. Scientific theories are always open to new data. They just aren't open to belief systems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I reject the premise of your question.
    Ok but sounds like your blinders are too tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Never. Scientific theories are always open to new data. They just aren't open to belief systems.
    Yeah new data, as long as it doesn't contradict the existing theory? That's always been a problem for human thinkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Ok but sounds like your blinders are too tight.
    Not at all. Science is not dogmatic, by definition. See post #15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Gee you can't think of even one? How about global warming or evolution, those are probably the two top mainstays of conventional arguments.
    No, not one.
    Teaching someone science is not in any stretch of the imagination indoctrination. But that you think so is very scary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Yeah new data, as long as it doesn't contradict the existing theory? That's always been a problem for human thinkers.

    Strange thoughts there. And not based in reality, just your opinion.

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