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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Yeah new data, as long as it doesn't contradict the existing theory? That's always been a problem for human thinkers.
    but not for science.

    When the idea that dinosaurs were the forerunners of birds was first brought up, it was dismissed as having no evidence.

    When new data showed that dinosaurs were the forerunners of birds, that became the mainstream hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I reject the premise of your question.
    Al Gore's global warming movie has been shown over and over to students around the world although it's been shown to be full of made up BS and exaggeration. The British school system at least issued a disclaimer before showing it to their students but we've continued to give credence to the most extreme predictions of the global warming fear mongers for the sake of propelling a political agenda. Skeptics, which is what all scientists are supposed to be, are denounced as heretical "deniers". That sounds like quasi-religious dogma to me.
    An Inconvenient Verdict for Al Gore - ABC News

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    My eldest daughter is a research chemist and where she works has been horrified at how little the ones coming in on entry level jobs know. Many of them have had barely any lab time at all which is essential to working in a professional lab. Over half of the science majors in colleges have never stepped foot in a school lab. Seems many school districts have taken out the labs because they are expensive and the liability insurance has gotten too high to afford. One of her colleagues is from Finland and they begin working in a lab around age 10. Massive difference.
    In our defense, Scandinavia is an education world beater, Finland especially. They have their own perfectly safe and prosperous corner of the world, and they continually invest what's needed to make it better without worrying about anything else. It must be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    You, along with most of the extremist right have been hoodwinked into thinking man has no hand in climate change. This lie is perpetuated by big business, who fear this will cut into their profit.
    How does it feel to be used?
    Even most of the big businesses who perpetuated the lie for years have changed their tune. It's less about upholding big business anymore than it is "That's what the party believes, so it's true."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Al Gore's global warming movie has been shown over and over to students around the world although it's been shown to be full of made up BS and exaggeration. The British school system at least issued a disclaimer before showing it to their students but we've continued to give credence to the most extreme predictions of the global warming fear mongers for the sake of propelling a political agenda. Skeptics, which is what all scientists are supposed to be, are denounced as heretical "deniers". That sounds like quasi-religious dogma to me.
    An Inconvenient Verdict for Al Gore - ABC News
    Not so. The Inconvenient verdict was that though it contained a couple of errors of fact, and stretched a conclusion, it was accurate. You should read your sources more closely.

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    Just wait until the states in the South start teaching their alternative history and creation and other nonsense once the education department is dismantled. Republicans will have generations of idiots for them to con and manipulate

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Your reasoning is beyond reproach though others may come to a different conclusion.
    Maybe you can make an argument longer than a single sentence deflection. Oh, you can't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    In our defense, Scandinavia is an education world beater, Finland especially. They have their own perfectly safe and prosperous corner of the world, and they continually invest what's needed to make it better without worrying about anything else. It must be nice.
    Have looked into Finland's education system, its very interesting. They use very little technology and for everything they learn in class they then take the students out and show a real world application. So the kids understand what algebra is used for. Not a ton of choice either, all students pretty much learn exactly the same thing until late in secondary school.

    Finland's low-tech take on education - POLITICO
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    It's the generation of helicopter parents that gave participation trophies that have done damage to our school system. School should be hard. Not everybody should pass. BUt we have dumbed down public education so everybody passes. Our stupid political system has it so people are elected based on bs numbers. Oh, our dropout and fail rate is bad, we have to get that up. how do we do it? Lets dumb down our curriculum. When standards are raised, parents throw fits. School is too hard, that test was too hard, my kids carry too many books, they have too much homework. Wow, wonder our education standards are so low

    In many European countries, its an accomplishment to graduate from primary school. Here it has become almost a right. Every kid must graduate. THat's not the way it should be.

    People in asia come to universities in the US and the first 2 years they are repeating what they already learned in high school

    And guess what, without immigration of all these smart people from other countries, we would be screwed

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    America’s decline isn’t unprecedented, Tyson said. Just look back 1,000 years ago at the Middle East, where math and science flourished in Baghdad. Algebra and algorithms were invented in the Middle East. So were Arabic numerals — the numbers we still use today.
    NO!!!! Arabic numbers were invented in India! Not the Middle East!

    Everybody should make a point of watching the documentary "The Story of One," hosted by former Monty Python member Terry Jones. It covers the whole history of written numbers.

    No one's allowed to post again until they've watched the whole thing.

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