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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Not so. The Inconvenient verdict was that though it contained a couple of errors of fact, and stretched a conclusion, it was accurate. You should read your sources more closely.
    One day before Friday's announcement that he was a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, a British High Court judge ruled that Gore's global warming film, "An Inconvenient Truth," while "broadly accurate," contained nine significant errors.
    Maybe it's YOU who should read my sources more closely. And "broadly accurate" is an oxymoron. They may as well have said "approximately precise".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    It's the generation of helicopter parents that gave participation trophies that have done damage to our school system. School should be hard. Not everybody should pass. BUt we have dumbed down public education so everybody passes. Our stupid political system has it so people are elected based on bs numbers. Oh, our dropout and fail rate is bad, we have to get that up. how do we do it? Lets dumb down our curriculum. When standards are raised, parents throw fits. School is too hard, that test was too hard, my kids carry too many books, they have too much homework. Wow, wonder our education standards are so low

    In many European countries, its an accomplishment to graduate from primary school. Here it has become almost a right. Every kid must graduate. THat's not the way it should be.

    People in asia come to universities in the US and the first 2 years they are repeating what they already learned in high school

    And guess what, without immigration of all these smart people from other countries, we would be screwed
    Our problem is we let parents run the schools. Now sure they are minors and all that, but there has to be some let up. We have parents that refuse to let their 16 year old kid take a science lab because they have open fire and work with chemicals. Its nuts. How do they expect to get into college and compete? Also the problem with continuing to not address the US problems and just bringing in foreigners to do our work, is we are dumbing us down. It allows parents to keep overprotecting their kids, since they will graduate anyway.. It doesn't help especially if we continue the crazy student debt scenario. Eventually they will default and the taxpayers will be bailing them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Yes you might call it non-questionable like an edict.
    Show me evidence against evolutionary theory. You deny that organisms are descended with modification from their parents, and that life forms change over time?

    How do you think medicine is developed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Yes you might call it non-questionable like an edict.
    Anyone is free to challenge evolutionary theory. However, the challenge must be supported by enough evidence to counter the absolute mountains of evidence that currently support evolutionary theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J View Post
    Show me evidence against evolutionary theory. You deny that organisms are descended with modification from their parents, and that life forms change over time?

    How do you think medicine is developed?
    You guys still at it? I don't have a personal problem with evolution just the observation that it and some other science seems to be rooted on some theory that as a theory needs to be questioned to retain it's credibility. As one example if we are descended from apes why do we have 46 chromosomes and apes have 48. No doubt there may be a reasonable explanation but will science even bother to examine the question or just brush it off because it doesn't fit the theory?
    And despite the fact that most medicine today is prescribing drugs from some jungle I'd say science has improved medical care, though you are more likely to die in a hospital from catching something there or doctor mistakes, than at home.
    When it comes to the defense of science not having enough data, no doubt the last scientist on earth will be saying that after some Fukushima accident event destroys all life on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    You guys still at it? I don't have a personal problem with evolution just the observation that it and some other science seems to be rooted on some theory that as a theory needs to be questioned to retain it's credibility. As one example if we are descended from apes why do we have 46 chromosomes and apes have 48. No doubt there may be a reasonable explanation but will science even bother to examine the question or just brush it off because it doesn't fit the theory?
    And despite the fact that most medicine today is prescribing drugs from some jungle I'd say science has improved medical care, though you are more likely to die in a hospital from catching something there or doctor mistakes, than at home.
    When it comes to the defense of science not having enough data, no doubt the last scientist on earth will be saying that after some Fukushima accident event destroys all life on earth.
    Scientific hypotheses are questioned until they are confirmed independently by observations and experimentations in variety of places and times. It's a bit like proving a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt," except that the trial has to be held over and over until there is no doubt given the currently known facts. After that, the theory is accepted as fact until additional data cast doubt on the theory.

    Once a theory has been tested for decades, as evolution has been, and found solid every time, then there is little chance that it will be changed in any significant way. Some specifics might change, what exactly evolved into what and when, but the overall theory is as solid as anything we have.

    I suppose if god appeared in person and said, "Hey, I hid all of those dinosaur bones to fool you. I created the Earth a few thousand years ago!" then it would be appropriate to question the theory of evolution.

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    American students aren't faltering in the sciences or math because millions do not accept the fake and ever changing evolution theory. They are faltering because public education has been increasingly populated with Progressives teaching everything but. Who wastes a month over 'black history'? How about a hard science month? A math month? American history month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    American students aren't faltering in the sciences or math because millions do not accept the fake and ever changing evolution theory. They are faltering because public education has been increasingly populated with Progressives teaching everything but. Who wastes a month over 'black history'? How about a hard science month? A math month? American history month?
    Good idea. Perhaps if there were more hard science months, fewer people would describe the theory of evolution as "fake" because it, like the creatures on this planet, is evolving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    They are not. However, they are often treated as such, and the overwhelming majority of opposition to science tends to come from religion.

    Untrue. Unless all science is distilled down to the 'theory' of evolution that is. Which of course it isn't. In fact evolution has become a religion of progressives, same as socialism. Talk about rigidity, evolutionists are exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Scientific hypotheses are questioned until they are confirmed independently by observations and experimentations in variety of places and times. It's a bit like proving a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt," except that the trial has to be held over and over until there is no doubt given the currently known facts. After that, the theory is accepted as fact until additional data cast doubt on the theory.

    Once a theory has been tested for decades, as evolution has been, and found solid every time, then there is little chance that it will be changed in any significant way. Some specifics might change, what exactly evolved into what and when, but the overall theory is as solid as anything we have.

    I suppose if god appeared in person and said, "Hey, I hid all of those dinosaur bones to fool you. I created the Earth a few thousand years ago!" then it would be appropriate to question the theory of evolution.
    Well see that doesn't really answer anything for me. I understand the accumulation of data with "proofs" but still I suspect it's more moribund than acclaimed. However I'm just a layman at best so I guess you could say I'm mostly skeptical. I gather that the chromosome disparity between humans and apes doesn't engender any doubt on the theory of evolution.

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