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    ITC rules solar manufacturers injured by imports

    The International Trade Commission ruled unanimously today that solar manufacturers were being injured by cheap foreign imports, moving the issue to President Trump to determine tariffs.

    While the White House did not indicate what specific steps it might take, it said: "The U.S. solar manufacturing sector contributes to our energy security and economic prosperity. ... Today the International Trade Commission determined that the U.S. solar industry has been injured by imports....The President will examine the facts and make a determination that reflects the best interests of the United States."
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    The Solar Energy Industries Association said in a statement: "The ITC's decision is disappointing...While we continue to believe that this is the wrong decision...we respect the commission's vote and we will continue to lead the effort to protect the solar industry from damaging trade relief."
    https://www.axios.com/itc-rules-sola...mpaign=organic

    The Solar Energy Industries Association, the guys who install solar systems has been running a fairly aggressive online advertising campaign against this for a while now. Maybe on TV too but I never watch TV.

    They argue that with the resulting increase in cost of solar systems they will lose more employees than the solar panel manufacturers will gain.

    It's on Dot(ard) Don's desk now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But OTOH:



    https://www.axios.com/itc-rules-sola...mpaign=organic

    The Solar Energy Industries Association, the guys who install solar systems has been running a fairly aggressive online advertising campaign against this for a while now. Maybe on TV too but I never watch TV.

    They argue that with the resulting increase in cost of solar systems they will loose more employees than the solar panel manufacturers will gain.

    It's on Dot(ard) Don's desk now.
    Mr. RNG,

    Increasing costs of solar systems will loose more employees to do what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But OTOH:



    https://www.axios.com/itc-rules-sola...mpaign=organic

    The Solar Energy Industries Association, the guys who install solar systems has been running a fairly aggressive online advertising campaign against this for a while now. Maybe on TV too but I never watch TV.

    They argue that with the resulting increase in cost of solar systems they will loose more employees than the solar panel manufacturers will gain.

    It's on Dot(ard) Don's desk now.
    Export subsidies or really any subsidy really impacts more than just the industry in question. At the end of the day American businesses need to incorporate the possibility into their decision making. I thoroughly explored the possibility of making certain things in Reading, PA. BUT if the Chinese can subsidize tires or solar panels, they could just as well do widgets. So even though I can make the product at a much cheaper price point than the Chinese because of freight, I won't do it. I'll do a Planet Fitness in TN instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But OTOH:



    https://www.axios.com/itc-rules-sola...mpaign=organic

    The Solar Energy Industries Association, the guys who install solar systems has been running a fairly aggressive online advertising campaign against this for a while now. Maybe on TV too but I never watch TV.

    They argue that with the resulting increase in cost of solar systems they will loose more employees than the solar panel manufacturers will gain.

    It's on Dot(ard) Don's desk now.
    Export subsidies or really any subsidy really impacts more than just the industry in question. At the end of the day American businesses need to incorporate the possibility their business segment will be subject to foreign subsidies into their decision making. I thoroughly explored the possibility of making certain things in Reading, PA. BUT if the Chinese can subsidize tires or solar panels, they could just as well do "widgets". So even though I can make the product at a much cheaper price point than the Chinese because of freight, I won't do it. I can't take the chance the Chinese company will turn around and get a subsidy from their government. I'll do a Planet Fitness in TN instead.

    Indeed with respect to directly subsidized industries, US consumers get a price break, but the incidental impact is a bit more nuanced. American businesses will tend to avoid this situation like the plague, they'll expand less or enter businesses that, by genuine competitive advantage, they really should be entering just because they can't take the risk the Chinese MIGHT subsidize that industry. That's a game some are definitely unwilling to play. THE result then is consumers pay more for products that Americans refrain from making even though they can make those products for less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. RNG,

    Increasing costs of solar systems will loose more employees to do what?
    If that was about the typo, I fixed it.

    If it isn't about the typo, they will be loose to apply for unemployment benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    But OTOH:



    https://www.axios.com/itc-rules-sola...mpaign=organic

    The Solar Energy Industries Association, the guys who install solar systems has been running a fairly aggressive online advertising campaign against this for a while now. Maybe on TV too but I never watch TV.

    They argue that with the resulting increase in cost of solar systems they will lose more employees than the solar panel manufacturers will gain.

    It's on Dot(ard) Don's desk now.
    Suniva received millions in stimulus money and DOE grants, was that fair to its competitors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Suniva received millions in stimulus money and DOE grants, was that fair to its competitors?
    Interesting factoid but irrelevant to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
    Suniva received millions in stimulus money and DOE grants, was that fair to its competitors?
    It's not of course. US does it too, and none of it is excusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    Interesting factoid but irrelevant to this thread.
    Sure it is, a Chinese company that is bringing suit against Chinese manufacturers because they receive Chinese government subsidies while it is accepting subsidies from the US government.

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