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    He got a prize for not being Bush, and he should get four more for not being Trump. Best deserved for years!
    Exactly my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The Nobel prize has been tainted by too many bad choices... Example: obama's peace prize for humanitarian bombs across the Middle East.
    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Entirely different thing. There is no correlation between how the Peace Prize is awarded, and how the Science Prize is awarded. The OP, and the linked article, was specifically about the science prize.
    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    The name has been tainted IMO, reputations take years to build and seconds to destroy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    All Nobel prizes are tainted now, its more of a joke than anything.

    Since Obama and Gore won it all categories have been affected.

    They are way too political now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Iolo View Post
    He got a prize for not being Bush, and he should get four more for not being Trump. Best deserved for years!
    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Exactly my point.
    Precisely. I agree with bmanmcfly and Spookycolt. Iolo’s post tells us exactly why the Nobel Prize has lost all credibility today. The Left has infiltrated it, just as they’ve infiltrated everything else (even the GOP). Now that they control it you may expect it to be handed out to the politically correct in all fields, including science.

    Political correctness and science are like oil and water. They don’t mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I don't normally post in the Science forum, but this story rather caught my attention.

    The Absurdity of the Nobel Prizes in Science

    The wider problem, beyond who should have received the prize and who should not, is that the Nobels reward individuals—three at most, for each of the scientific prizes, in any given year. And modern science, as Ivan Oransky and Adam Marcus write in Stat, is “the teamiest of team sports.” Yes, researchers sometimes make solo breakthroughs, but that’s increasingly rare. Even within a single research group, a platoon of postdocs, students, and technicians will typically be involved in a discovery that gets hitched to a single investigator’s name. And more often than not, many groups collaborate on a single project. The paper in which the LIGO team announced their discovery has an author list that runs to three pages. Another recent paper, which precisely estimated the mass of the elusive Higgs boson, has 5,154 authors.

    Now, the method for choosing the recipient of the Nobel Prize is, to some degree, set forth in the Will of Alfred Nobel:

    Defenders of the prize note that the Nobel committee is bound to the conditions laid out in Alfred Nobel’s will—the document that established the awards. But the will calls for the recognition of “the person”—singular—who has made the important discovery in their respective field “during the preceding year.”

    The problem is that the Prize Committee has already played a little loose with that restriction:

    The Nobel committee, by contrast, recognizes up to three people, for work that could have been done decades prior. If they are already bending the original rules, why not go further? As the editors of Scientific American suggested in 2012, why not award the scientific prizes to teams and organizations, just like the Peace Prize can be?

    The linked article makes an excellent case for the problems with how the prize is currently awarded, and I would highly recommend reading it. So, what do you guys think? Should the Nobel Prize change how it is awarded to more accurately portray how scientific discoveries are made?

    They cant exactly give everyone person who participated in the effort a cash prize. I would support the top 3 getting the prize and instate a new "Honorable mention prize" to all who participated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I don't normally post in the Science forum, but this story rather caught my attention.

    The Absurdity of the Nobel Prizes in Science

    The wider problem, beyond who should have received the prize and who should not, is that the Nobels reward individuals—three at most, for each of the scientific prizes, in any given year. And modern science, as Ivan Oransky and Adam Marcus write in Stat, is “the teamiest of team sports.” Yes, researchers sometimes make solo breakthroughs, but that’s increasingly rare. Even within a single research group, a platoon of postdocs, students, and technicians will typically be involved in a discovery that gets hitched to a single investigator’s name. And more often than not, many groups collaborate on a single project. The paper in which the LIGO team announced their discovery has an author list that runs to three pages. Another recent paper, which precisely estimated the mass of the elusive Higgs boson, has 5,154 authors.

    Now, the method for choosing the recipient of the Nobel Prize is, to some degree, set forth in the Will of Alfred Nobel:

    Defenders of the prize note that the Nobel committee is bound to the conditions laid out in Alfred Nobel’s will—the document that established the awards. But the will calls for the recognition of “the person”—singular—who has made the important discovery in their respective field “during the preceding year.”

    The problem is that the Prize Committee has already played a little loose with that restriction:

    The Nobel committee, by contrast, recognizes up to three people, for work that could have been done decades prior. If they are already bending the original rules, why not go further? As the editors of Scientific American suggested in 2012, why not award the scientific prizes to teams and organizations, just like the Peace Prize can be?

    The linked article makes an excellent case for the problems with how the prize is currently awarded, and I would highly recommend reading it. So, what do you guys think? Should the Nobel Prize change how it is awarded to more accurately portray how scientific discoveries are made?
    If they complied with the letter of the will, chances are good that the most important people in any field would go unrecognized forever. Nobel lived in the age of Edison, when one man could be credited with achievements in science over a short period of time. Today nearly all effective science takes many years and is done by teams of researchers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    All Nobel prizes are tainted now, its more of a joke than anything.

    Since Obama and Gore won it all categories have been affected.

    They are way too political now.
    Agreed. But it started with Arafat.

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