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    Surely, there must be some way we can politicize this, no?

    Was this dude a righty or a lefty?

    Imagine, theories overriding theories......

    Science, the work in progress.....

    What will be uncovered next?

    Anyone see the movie, "The Hellstrom Chronicle"????

    Good movie on why science keeps telling us things and what role evolution and genetics play in the story of life.....

    What this means is......that in 100 years time, an even older "relative" of humanity, could be found in the melted ice of Antarctica, further confirming Gondwana and continental drift.....as well as where (for the moment) the geographic origins of humans "really" is......

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    9.7 Million-Year-Old Teeth Discovered in Germany Have Scientists Puzzled | Mental Floss
    Scientists in Germany say they've found ape teeth that are surprisingly similar to the teeth of an early human relative dating to millions of years later. As the Independent reports, the team of experts unearthed a pair of 9.7-million-year-old fossilized teeth that, they say, have some of the same features as the teeth of the hominid Australopithecus afarensis.
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    Of the two teeth, a canine and a molar, the canine tooth bears a striking resemble to that from "Lucy,"...
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    "They are clearly ape teeth," researcher Herbert Lutz told local media in a press conference.
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    They dated the fossils using the remains of an extinct horse which was found buried in the same spot.
    So they haven't actually been definitively dated...yet. The quest for knowledge continues.

    Also "discovered" on Crete, what are being call hominid footprints from over 5 million years ago...but they have only FOUR toes (if they are footprints at all). See the image here...
    9.7 Million-Year-Old Teeth Found in Germany Belong to Hominin Only Known To Have Existed in Africa 4 Million Years Later | Ancient Origins
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    It's possible that Europe is the actual cradle of humanity instead of Africa.

    See article here:

    9.7m-year-old teeth suggest Europe is cradle of humanity | Daily Mail Online


    The German teeth are twice as old as previously found African skeletons.


    9.7 million years? ... What did they do in Eppelsheim this days? Eppelsheim 10 million years ago: trunked animals, saber-toothed cats, bear dogs, tapir, rhinoceroses, claw foot hoofed animals, ancestors of horses and even pongidae (homidae) ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    There are a few people around saying it was probably Europe. I guess we'll have to wait until they find better examples. A skull, or skeleton. In the meantime though, you have to wonder how the teeth got there...
    There are also quite a few people who believe that the earth is getting colder.

    Sorry, I'm going to have to look into this a bit, I have never even heard of primitive hominids in any part of Europe. Forgive me for being somewhat skeptical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    'Peer review' doesn't mean much after many peer reviews were written by left winged propagandists regarding AGW.
    No, peer review is an essential step in proving or disproving a theory.



    9 million years ago, there where no hominids -- none and I seriously doubt that any were found in Europe. Chimpanzees did not even evolve until a little more than 5 million years ago.

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    I can't speak to the article in the OP, but here's some snippets from mine and a link:

    The discovery of the creature, named Graecopithecus freybergi, and nicknameded ‘El Graeco' by scientists, proves our ancestors were already starting to evolve in Europe 200,000 years before the earliest African hominid.

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    “Graecopithecus is not an ape. He is a member of the tribe of hominins and the direct ancestor of homo.

    “The food of the Graecopithecus was related to the rather dry and hard savannah vegetation, unlike that of the recent great apes which are living in forests. Therefore, like humans, he has wide molars and thick enamel.

    "To some extent this is a newly discovered missing link. But missing links will always exist , because evolution is infinite chain of subsequent forms. Probably El Graeco's face will resemble a great ape, with shorter canines."

    The team analysed the two known specimens of Graecopithecus freybergi: a lower jaw from Greece and an upper premolar tooth from Bulgaria.

    Using computer tomography, they were able to visualise the internal structures of the fossils and show that the roots of premolars are widely fused.

    "While great apes typically have two or three separate and diverging roots, the roots of Graecopithecus converge and are partially fused - a feature that is characteristic of modern humans, early humans and several pre-humans,", said lead researcher Professor Madelaine Böhme of the University of Tübingen.

    The lower jaw, has additional dental root features, suggesting that the species was a hominid.

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    Professor Böhme added: "Our findings may eventually change our ideas about the origin of humanity. I personally don't think that the descendants of Graecopithecus die out, they may have spread to Africa later. The split of chimps and humans was a single event. Our data support the view that this split was happening in the eastern Mediterranean - not in Africa.

    "If accepted, this theory will indeed alter the very beginning of human history."

    Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    When I took my one anthropology class the professor said there were multiple theories about how life spread out.

    She said the common belief was that they originated in Africa but a competing theory said that life sprung up all over the world at roughly the same time.

    Its beginning to look like that second theory is becoming more credible.
    That is not correct. There is no second theory being more credible.

    Science doesn't care what you believe. Science is not a religion. Science is not a consensus of beliefs. Science is a consensus of facts.

    If the teeth are seen to be of an earlier class of human than those in Africa...then there is not reason science will not accept these as belonging to an earlier species of early human...this may even be a closer link to our ape ancestors.

    The reason Rob Larkin is pushing this theory is race. Rob does not want to be associated with anything out of Africa. This theory bolsters his white linage theories. Master race....no black blood.

    Science can give a fuck about the master race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I can't speak to the article in the OP, but here's some snippets from mine and a link:

    The discovery of the creature, named Graecopithecus freybergi, and nicknameded ‘El Graeco' by scientists, proves our ancestors were already starting to evolve in Europe 200,000 years before the earliest African hominid.

    ...

    “Graecopithecus is not an ape. He is a member of the tribe of hominins and the direct ancestor of homo.

    “The food of the Graecopithecus was related to the rather dry and hard savannah vegetation, unlike that of the recent great apes which are living in forests. Therefore, like humans, he has wide molars and thick enamel.

    "To some extent this is a newly discovered missing link. But missing links will always exist , because evolution is infinite chain of subsequent forms. Probably El Graeco's face will resemble a great ape, with shorter canines."

    The team analysed the two known specimens of Graecopithecus freybergi: a lower jaw from Greece and an upper premolar tooth from Bulgaria.

    Using computer tomography, they were able to visualise the internal structures of the fossils and show that the roots of premolars are widely fused.

    "While great apes typically have two or three separate and diverging roots, the roots of Graecopithecus converge and are partially fused - a feature that is characteristic of modern humans, early humans and several pre-humans,", said lead researcher Professor Madelaine Böhme of the University of Tübingen.

    The lower jaw, has additional dental root features, suggesting that the species was a hominid.

    ...
    Professor Böhme added: "Our findings may eventually change our ideas about the origin of humanity. I personally don't think that the descendants of Graecopithecus die out, they may have spread to Africa later. The split of chimps and humans was a single event. Our data support the view that this split was happening in the eastern Mediterranean - not in Africa.

    "If accepted, this theory will indeed alter the very beginning of human history."

    Europe was the birthplace of mankind, not Africa, scientists find
    This last statement is total bullshit. It is conferring a determination. There is no determination of the origin of humans. Even Lucy is part of a theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    This last statement is total bullshit. It is conferring a determination. There is no determination of the origin of humans. Even Lucy is part of a theory.
    It said IF. IF this turns out to be right.

    I really wish I had started a thread on this topic. The article I am using is much different than a tooth found in Germany. This is an entirely different thing that the whole idea is based off.

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