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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    So do you think it is fair to say that because in the history of conservation,
    Let’s start with the word conserve. It means:
    Conserve

    protect (something, especially an environmentally or culturally important place or thing) from harm or destruction.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=defi....0.xoWehWkFBr4

    To repeat, from the OP, “So just how important is the Furbish lousewort?”

    perhaps this one example was overboard,
    Oh, that’s SO GENEROUS of you, Stan. You’ve gone out into the world, with its 5 Billion extinct species, into a world of 14 million species of which we have only documented 1.2 million, with over 12 million that haven’t even been described, and you’ve said, grudgingly, that PERHAPS, that MAYBE, this miserable looking Furbish lousewort plant, which had disappeared from the last tiny place it lived, was worth halting a $227 million hydroelectric project over because some anti-development Greenie discovered a couple of crappy specimens still existed.

    Out of the undocumented 12 million species, millions will go extinct, because, again from the OP, without extinction none of us would exist. Extinctions are essential to the evolution and continuation of life. Why do you shrug and look away when THOSE hundreds of thousands are sentenced to extinction, yet don’t mind when environmentalists use this pathetic excuse of a plant to halt development of important dams? Why did even the Leftist Time Magazine agree with me, not you, that it was "downright silly"?

    Why was the hydroelectric damn so important?
    Wow. You’d rather have your Furbish lousewort than electricity? Of course. Who needs evil electricity, when a weed’s life is at stake? Have you ever considered how important power is to the health of children? Do you realize how many lives it saves every day? How do you call the ambulance to save a perilously sick or injured child, when you can’t charge your phone, Stan? Forget the car too, because its battery is flat and there’s no power to charge it. You could carry the children, but wait, what’s the point? The hospital is closed. No power. All to save your beloved weed.

    Seems like you've cherry picked the most curious anecdote,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    This is what environmentalists have been doing since the 70’s. Shutting down dams around the world by scrounging up examples of some forgettable species that was probably on its way to extinction, and using them as an excuse to shut down major projects such as dams, vital to towns and cities. They did the same thing in Australia many times.

    When you consider the fact that more than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species, that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct, and out of the current 14 million species we have, over 86 percent have not even yet been described, can anybody tell me what big a deal it was to shut down this dam for the sake of a crappy plant they already thought was extinct?

    As Time magazine said at the time, it was ‘downright silly’.

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    Excerpts from:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellico_Dam


    Tellico Dam is a dam built by the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) in Loudon County, Tennessee on the Little Tennessee River just above the main stem of the Tennessee River. It impounds the Tellico Reservoir.
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    Construction of the dam was delayed when a small endangered fish called the snail darter was discovered on the Little Tennessee River. Dam opponents brought a lawsuit under the Endangered Species Act.

    This is the snail darter:



    After a big expensive fight, the dam construction was stopped. After another long expensive battle, Congress finally exempted the Tellico Dam from the Endangered Species Act as an amendment in an unrelated bill. The gates were closed on the dam and Tellico Lake (a reservoir) began to form in 1979.

    Here’s the kicker:

    Remnant populations of the snail darter were later located in other streams!

    Just another example of mischievous Green Marxists at work.

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    "Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception" - Carl Sagan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Without extinction none of us would exist. It is essential to the evolution and continuation of life.

    More than 99 percent of all species, amounting to over five billion species, that ever lived on Earth are estimated to be extinct. Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million, of which about 1.2 million have been documented and over 86 percent have not yet been described.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=how+....0.5EADb3u3ei8

    5 billion divided by 14 million = about 357, which means 357 other groups of 14 million species have gone extinct.

    So just how important is the Furbish lousewort?
    Let it go extinct and we will find out. Then again if it happens to be a primary food source for some little creature that is integral to a dozen more creatures we will find out just how important it is and there will be no turning back. It's happened countless times with effects that no one ever imagined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Diamond is a very left winged professor who the Left love. I would disagree with about 85% of everything he says. He talks about human disastrous decisions but I can assure you, it would be one hell of a stretch to say that losing the Furbish's lousewort would be a 'disastrous decision'.

    Show me the disaster this would entail.
    We don't know what sort of disaster it might cause unless we let it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    Excerpts from:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellico_Dam


    Tellico Dam is a dam built by the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) in Loudon County, Tennessee on the Little Tennessee River just above the main stem of the Tennessee River. It impounds the Tellico Reservoir.
    ….
    Construction of the dam was delayed when a small endangered fish called the snail darter was discovered on the Little Tennessee River. Dam opponents brought a lawsuit under the Endangered Species Act.

    This is the snail darter:



    After a big expensive fight, the dam construction was stopped. After another long expensive battle, Congress finally exempted the Tellico Dam from the Endangered Species Act as an amendment in an unrelated bill. The gates were closed on the dam and Tellico Lake (a reservoir) began to form in 1979.

    Here’s the kicker:

    Remnant populations of the snail darter were later located in other streams!

    Just another example of mischievous Green Marxists at work.
    That unrelated bill was one that said projects started prior to the endangered species act could proceed and since the TVA had done some preliminary surveying prior to it they were exempt from the act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Larrikin View Post
    So just how important is the Furbish lousewort?
    One of them will be the next GOP presidential candidate. (and Russia will make sure it wins)

    Furbish Lousewort For President-2020
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    The False Dudgeon is alive and well, in threads like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    One of them will be the next GOP presidential candidate. (and Russia will make sure it wins)

    Furbish Lousewort For President-2020
    And let's not forget the snail darter too.

    Oh, and of course, Muddy Mudskipper.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUXEH-LtZO4

    Anyone thinking of trying to build a $2 billion dam?

    We can scrape up something to put an end to it, for a cool million.

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    This is the boggomoss snail.





    Nathan Dam project granted federal approval after snail causes nine-year delay

    A $1.2 billion dam is back from the dead after a population of endangered snails caused the vital Queensland project to be shelved nine years ago.

    More than 500 construction jobs were lost in 2008 when the boggomoss snail – listed as critically endangered – was discovered at the Nathan Dam project site along the Dawson River, west of Gladstone.

    Independent experts have since found the population of the snail to be “significantly higher than originally suggested” and the project is officially back on the table.

    But the struggle at a snail’s pace to get the project off the ground has drawn criticism as the boggomoss snail joins the yakka skink, the ornamental snake, the Wallum tree frog and the black-throated finch as endangered species that have caused significant delays to big projects.

    Category: | The Courier Mail


    Sickening, isn’t it?

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