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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I had not even though of the court cases that could stem from a car making decisions.
    The permutations are probably endless. Pose a scenario, and it could probably come out several ways, all depending on the manufacture and programming, or overrides by the "operator" of the vehicle ("driver" might no longer be an applicable term). Imagine the product liability suits....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I agree that driverless cars, once fully implemented would save many lives each year. But this thread is about the tradeoff of where the car decides that your life should be sacrificed to save other lives.
    Well, why are you going there in the first place? It's an absurd notion. Would the latest New York attack have occurred with an autonomous vehicle?

    Me thinks that this will end up a Republican talking point that will thwart progress until congress investigates....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Okay, what if it was a group of Trump supporters wearing Make America Great Again hats and they darted out? Sacrifice your life for theirs? The scenario is the car makes the decision, taking it out of your hands.
    *sigh*

    Was an interesting topic. I gave my answer. No amount of political trolling will change my answer, but it will make me think twice before opening your thread again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The permutations are probably endless. Pose a scenario, and it could probably come out several ways, all depending on the manufacture and programming, or overrides by the "operator" of the vehicle ("driver" might no longer be an applicable term). Imagine the product liability suits....
    I agree, the programming could make your life worth less than a pedestrian to the computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Well, why are you going there in the first place? It's an absurd notion. Would the latest New York attack have occurred with an autonomous vehicle?

    Me thinks that this will end up a Republican talking point that will thwart progress until congress investigates....
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    As I linked in the OP this was a TED Talks topic. I found it interesting and thought it was worthy of thoughtful discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    *sigh*

    Was an interesting topic. I gave my answer. No amount of political trolling will change my answer, but it will make me think twice before opening your thread again.


    I'm not trolling. I tried to pick something that I thought that you might consider less important than your life. Let's say it was a group of KKK that stepped out into the street. The computer determines there are six of them and only one of you. It crashes into a pole, killing you because you are the less loss of life. Make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    The permutations are probably endless. Pose a scenario, and it could probably come out several ways, all depending on the manufacture and programming, or overrides by the "operator" of the vehicle ("driver" might no longer be an applicable term). Imagine the product liability suits....
    Or your mechanic's IT specialist who didn't update your driverless car's software the last time you had it in for an oil change.

    "Clearly, your honor, version 3.2 of Leopard simply isn't capable of recognizing that the prone bodies in the crosswalk were in fact mannequins that had fallen off of a poorly secured load. If Jiffy Lube had updated the software to Cheetah 1.0, the driverless car would've chosen to drive over said mannequins instead of driving my client's deceased husband at ramming speed into the telephone pole."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I agree, the programming could make your life worth less than a pedestrian to the computer.
    Yes, there are all kinds of permutations just with the programming alone, never mind whether it was done correctly or not (which would be a whole separate liability issue, not to mention the potential programming by owners that could void a warranty, &c.).

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    Let's say it was a group of KKK that stepped out into the street. The computer determines there are six of them and only one of you. It crashes into a pole, killing you because you are the less loss of life. Make sense?
    From a legal perspective, it does make sense. If a human had to choose - i.e., someone was going to die, the only question being how many - then the correct choice (from a liability standpoint, whether civil or criminal) would be the one person rather than the six. Therefore, the computer should be programmed to make the same choice. This is why you want a manual override, in case there is a way to avoid any deaths that the computer cannot intuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    From a legal perspective, it does make sense. If a human had to choose - i.e., someone was going to die, the only question being how many - then the correct choice (from a liability standpoint, whether civil or criminal) would be the one person rather than the six. Therefore, the computer should be programmed to make the same choice. This is why you want a manual override, in case there is a way to avoid any deaths that the computer cannot intuit.
    The main problem is going to be that right at the moment a crucial calculation or manual override is going to be needed, the dang thing is going to need to be rebooted.
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