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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    From a legal perspective, it does make sense. If a human had to choose - i.e., someone was going to die, the only question being how many - then the correct choice (from a liability standpoint, whether civil or criminal) would be the one person rather than the six. Therefore, the computer should be programmed to make the same choice. This is why you want a manual override, in case there is a way to avoid any deaths that the computer cannot intuit.
    The intention is for there to be no steering wheel...

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    The intention is for there to be no steering wheel...
    I understand that. But there should be, in cases where the computer cannot intuit the appropriate way to proceed, and/or for when the computer breaks down for any reason. You want that manual override ... better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I understand that. But there should be, in cases where the computer cannot intuit the appropriate way to proceed, and/or for when the computer breaks down for any reason. You want that manual override ... better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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    I'd say there's a way to go before this is mandated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    We had this discussion at work awhile ago. It could be as simple as evaluating risk. Computer detects three people step off curb in front of you. Program evaluates scenario and concludes one death is better than three and swerves you into a rock wall.

    There's your death panel right there, Sarah Palin.
    Can't you set it to "I'm more important than everybody else"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    Can't you set it to "I'm more important than everybody else"?
    You are after all the one paying for the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The computer can consider more factors that you can and more quickly. It can know that if it swerves to the right, you are going to strike a pole at 60 mph, most likely killing you but it will save the group of ball players that just ran out into the street.
    I don't think it will swerve at all. It may do it's best to stop in time but if it can't it's going to run over the ball players. Swerving off the road is never an option for the computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    It could actually think about value in the calculations, a 51-year-old man driving alone in the car. Several pedestrians who are children with their whole lives ahead of them. Computers can calculate a lot.
    If it swerves off the road and the driver is killed that will be the last car with that software. If it is unable to stop then the children are history just like they would be if you were driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I don't think it will swerve at all. It may do it's best to stop in time but if it can't it's going to run over the ball players. Swerving off the road is never an option for the computer.
    The computer is able to determine the best course of action to take. The point is that action might not be best for the owner or driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    If it swerves off the road and the driver is killed that will be the last car with that software. If it is unable to stop then the children are history just like they would be if you were driving.
    The swerve off the road killing the driver is because the computer determines that the pedestrians are higher in priority of safety. It is a quandary that programers would be faced with figuring out. Do you kill one, even if it happens to be the driver, to save a dozen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Your friend is exactly right. And that is the quandary that we would face.
    I don't think the driverless car is going to do any swerving. It's going to stay in it's legal lane of traffic and do what it can to stop. If it runs over a few children then it's a tragedy but it won't be at fault just like if you were driving, if it swerves and runs over a lady on the sidewalk then it's clearly the fault of the software that the lady was killed. Who deserves to die more, the kids who should not have stepped into the street or the lady who was doing nothing wrong?

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