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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Was wondering that myself. Some recycling plants that utilize single stream are also saying its getting less efficient since so much has to be incinerated at high levels and chemicals added. Same could go for meat as you say. I imagine the energy alone to create this could be problematic. Also added nutrients and vitamins and acquiring them are going to add to that.

    Yeah. You can't simply create meat out of thin air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    This reminds me of a story my dad used to tell about Henry Ford. I have never tried to verify it.

    Apparently, he would go to the staff cafeteria for lunch and order a hamburger. He wanted to appear to be one of the guys to his workers.

    And he would often comment that these hamburgers were actually really good, he couldn't figure out what Joe Average was complaining about that they couldn't afford steak.

    But what he didn't know is that every day the chef in the executive cafeteria would freshly grind some top sirloin, spice it carefully and that was the "hamburger" that Henry Ford got.
    There was a documentary about him on the History Channel last year. He was not a nice man at all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    There was a documentary about him on the History Channel last year. He was not a nice man at all!
    That is true of many very successful people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    That is true of many very successful people.

    I'd venture to say that few have been as anti-Semitic as was Henry Ford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    There is no such thing as "better than hamburger."


    I would be ok with this, too. And if it's not dairy, I could eat it after having real hamburger, too!
    So with kosher diets, you can't have dairy and meat in your stomach at the same time? I thought dairy and meat could not touch each other outside your body. How long did it take you to learn all of this? Seems complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    So with kosher diets, you can't have dairy and meat in your stomach at the same time?
    It is not a matter of "in the stomach." They cannot be cooked together, eaten together, much less at the same meal. (See more below.)

    There are varying opinions, but the general halachic consensus is that after dairy, you have to wait about an hour before eating meat; whereas after meat, you have to wait six hours before eating dairy again.

    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I thought dairy and meat could not touch each other outside your body.
    That, too. In fact, there must be separate, dedicated utensils for dairy and meat. Parve, or food that is neither dairy nor meat, can but need not have dedicated utensils, as such food can be eaten with either. (E.g., fruit, vegetables, grains.)

    "Parve" includes eggs and fish, by the way. With fish, though, while it can be eaten at the same meal as meat, it cannot be on the same plate, so if you are at a kosher home for a meal, what you think of as the "salad plate" (which it also is) would probably be referred to as the "fish plate," and would be collected before the meat is served.

    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    How long did it take you to learn all of this? Seems complicated.
    You have no idea. There are whole books. I am still learning, and have been for around 8 years or so. But so are the experts ... it's a process.



    Closer to the topic ... non-dairy "cheese" could be eaten with meat, since it is not actually dairy; likewise, real cheese could be eaten with fake meat, because it is not actually meat. Some people might not be personally comfortable doing so, but it would be halachically permissible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    I'd venture to say that few have been as anti-Semitic as was Henry Ford.
    Can't argue, cause I don't know.

    My point is that lots of super successful people are not nice, are weird, have super intelligence in one area and can be idiots about many other things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Can't argue, cause I don't know.

    My point is that lots of super successful people are not nice, are weird, have super intelligence in one area and can be idiots about many other things...
    Look at a Steve Jobs, who was a super smart, driven man.

    Declined the medical treatment that would have saved his life.

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Can't argue, cause I don't know.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_...d_antisemitism

    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    My point is that lots of super successful people are not nice, are weird, have super intelligence in one area and can be idiots about many other things...
    That much is true, such that they probably cause as much trouble, at least during their lifetimes, as any good they may do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Look at a Steve Jobs, who was a super smart, driven man.

    Declined the medical treatment that would have saved his life.

    Why?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Health_issues

    Why? Stupidity, it would seem. Or a desire to die, as by rejecting the treatment that would have saved him he essentially committed suicide.

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