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    How the Universe was created

    The two big ones are the Big Bang Theory and Creationism.

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    Something interesting I find about the Big Bang Theory is some of it can be proved. For instance, scientists tell us that the universe is expanding. We can prove this by "red shift"

    I like to see some difference opinions and views please

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    Tons of evidence for Big Bang. Only the perceptions of desert savages on how the Universe was formed for Creationism.

    Regardless, this does not prove or disprove the existence of a supreme being or creator of the universe. It only gives evidence that there was indeed a beginning to the universe and it took a bit longer than 6 days to create it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin View Post
    The two big ones are the Big Bang Theory and Creationism.

    Research them both Here and Here

    Something interesting I find about the Big Bang Theory is some of it can be proved. For instance, scientists tell us that the universe is expanding. We can prove this by "red shift"

    I like to see some difference opinions and views please
    Creationism is a joke.
    The Big Bang also has more evidence in that, if you were to reverse the direction of all the stars, they would converge at a single point. If I'm not mistaken, the Big Bang Theory is - like evolution - just as much accepted as fact as the Theory of Gravity. It's rare you hear of a scientist who doesn't accept it, excluding the deliberately delusional Creationist scientists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Regardless, this does not prove or disprove the existence of a supreme being or creator of the universe.
    Not a (or some) creator(s), but quite definitely the Creator defined by the Bible - at least in terms of how Genesis describes it having happened.

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    The Bible is a parable as proven by science. It was written by intelligent but, compared to modern civilization, relatively unsophisticated people. If a 4 year old boy asks me why the sky is blue I could go into a long dissertation on atmospheric gasses, light waves and the refraction of light which would go right over the kids head or I could say "because God chose that color. Pretty isn't it?" Of course, I'd make sure that by the time he was 10 he really did understand why the sky was blue.....but that still begs the question, "Why did God make it blue?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    Tons of evidence for Big Bang. Only the perceptions of desert savages on how the Universe was formed for Creationism.

    Regardless, this does not prove or disprove the existence of a supreme being or creator of the universe. It only gives evidence that there was indeed a beginning to the universe and it took a bit longer than 6 days to create it.
    The fact you can see me going 200 mph , pre -restrictor days, does not tell how my car was fabricated , just that it exists. That would be evidence of existence but not of how it came into that existence. this is the same with the so called Big Bang. There was nothing then it exploded into existence.You only have an after the fact , we call that a checker, but we have no before the fact, we call that a green. Creationism does account for a beginning, the Big Bang does not.So accept it or not Creation as a concept does what a big bang cannot.

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    I can only hope you're joking. There is no more objective evidence that a being created the Big Bang than there is for any other cause - be it the spontaneous creation of massive amounts of energy, the implosion of a previous universe, the creation by a non-diety, etc. You're saying, "There is no evidence for what caused the Big Bang, therefore God did - something that also has no evidence." Creationism does do what the Big Bang cannot: make unfounded, unscientific, unjustified, pretentious, absurd guesses. I can do that too, but I'd hope nobody would take me seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard P-Diddy View Post
    So accept it or not Creation as a concept does what a big bang cannot.
    Too bad there's zero evidence of Creationism whereas there is tons of evidence for the Big Bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    The Bible is a parable as proven by science. It was written by intelligent but, compared to modern civilization, relatively unsophisticated people. If a 4 year old boy asks me why the sky is blue I could go into a long dissertation on atmospheric gasses, light waves and the refraction of light which would go right over the kids head or I could say "because God chose that color. Pretty isn't it?" Of course, I'd make sure that by the time he was 10 he really did understand why the sky was blue.....but that still begs the question, "Why did God make it blue?"
    I am from NC and we know why the sky is not just blue but Carolina Blue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Stover View Post
    I can only hope you're joking. There is no more objective evidence that a being created the Big Bang than there is for any other cause - be it the spontaneous creation of massive amounts of energy, the implosion of a previous universe, the creation by a non-diety, etc. You're saying, "There is no evidence for what caused the Big Bang, therefore God did - something that also has no evidence." Creationism does do what the Big Bang cannot: make unfounded, unscientific, unjustified, pretentious, absurd guesses. I can do that too, but I'd hope nobody would take me seriously.
    Now you are trying to create what you want me to have said. I did not say "therefore". That is a false conclusion and misrepresentation of what I did say. I can only hope you are joking but I suspect this is what needs to be done , to try and slingshot by me at the finish.

    Your description of creationism applies conceptually more to the Big Bang than to creationism as again the concept of creationism does give a beginning. The concept of a Big Bang would have to have something already in existence so conceptually it is impossible to be offered as a cause of the universe to come into existence. If you offer nothing exploding into something then the question of taking you serious has already been answered. That is a red flag.

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