Thread: Oregon State releases Professor Nick Drapela, allegedly because he opposes theory:

Originally Posted by bobgnote

The administration refused to give a reason for firing him but the motives were clear to those familiar with Drapela and the University’s stance.

Liberals always do what they can to punish anyone who doesn't obey Big Brother.

There is nothing to suggest he was fired from OSU because of his views on climate change. The university has denied it on many occasions. If they were going to fire him for his views, why would they keep him around for ten years?

I currently attend OSU. I know that last year Dr. Drapela was placed on probation from the chemistry department because something like 60% of his students failed his midterms. The more likely explination is that they had to make cuts, and the ineffective professor didn't make it.



Oh, and that slideshow he made is from 2008.

Originally Posted by Rasselas

Actually, this argument is essentially anti-intellectual. An instructor (he's not a professor, which is actually significant when it comes to employment in academe) cannot be fired for being contrarian. That's pretty much an iron-clad position for everyone in the academy. Academic freedom is sacrosanct, or should be.

The whole incident seems fishy, with the university claiming 1) they can't talk publicly about the reasons for his contract not being renewed and 2) the reasons are in this guy's employment file, but the instructor's lawyer saying 3) there's nothing negative in his employment file and 4) there's nothing in the law to stop the university from talking about their reasons for not renewing his contract.

Apparently, the instructor is suing, and we'll eventually have an answer to the questions everyone is asking: Warming critic at OSU loses teaching position

Here's an alternative explanation: Budgets to public universities have been getting cut left and right. Even though instructors are cheaper to employ than professors (who get tenure), universities have to let the instructors go first, before they fire anyone either tenured or who might get tenure. Lots of instructor-level university teachers have been getting let go, all over the country. It would be interesting to see if there's anyone with more seniority than this fellow getting let go from the chem. department at Oregon State, or if they hired someone to take his place or just cut back on classes that he would otherwise be teaching.

My wife is an adjunct professor, who is not full time. Many universities offer up contracts to instructors and adjunct profs for a semester at a time. There usually is not much an adjunct or instructor can do legally, if they feel the university is not picking them up for another semester.

Originally Posted by WillO2

Presumably you are referring to dipole moments. It is claimed that molecules such as water vapour are greenhouse gasses because they have permanent dipole moments and this causes them to "trap" or thermalise IR. According to this area of the "greenhouse effect" hypothesis, the fact that O2 and N2 have no permanent dipole moment means that they cannot thermalise the OLR (outgoing long-wave radiation (IR)).

What "greenhouse effect" theorist fail to mention is that CO2, just like O2 and N2, also has no permanent dipole moment.

Psst! Any atmospheric molecule, with 3 atoms or more contributes to the greenhouse effect. It has to do with trapping infrared radiation, in the atmosphere, particularly close, to the surface of the Earth. Are you REALLY just about to claim symmetrical molecules, like O2 and N2 have symmetry, but three-atom molecules, GHGs H2O and CO2 also have symmetry? WTF!

I don't get your symmetry concept, obviously.

CCl4 looks symmetrical, and it is both ozone-depleting and a greenhouse gas. Are you about to say we should start using that, again? I am issuing an irrational rant warming:

"A good example is the dipole moment of the water molecule. Molecules with mirror symmetry like oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and carbon tetrachloride have no permanent dipole moments. Even if there is no permanent dipole moment, it is possible to induce a dipole moment by the application of an external electric field."

. . . . such as ionisation in the ionosphere.

So yes, water vapour has a permanent dipole moment and in the IPCC computer models, (the only place on earth where the so called "greenhouse effect" has thus far been demonstrated to exist) water vapour is modelled as though it produces a positive feedback mechanism (i.e. Warming). However, empirical evidence proves that water vapour is a negative feedback mechanism on the climate.

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: A simple disproof of the runaway greenhouse theory & basis of climate alarm

http://clivebest.com/blog/wp-content...2012/05/F4.png

And even more damning for the "water vapour is a positive feedback mechanism" fallacy of the IPCC, from a suppressed internal memo at the EPA from 2009,

http://cei.org/sites/default/files/DOC062509-004.pdf

"A new 2009 paper finds the crucial assumption in the GCM models used by the IPCC concerning strongly positive feedback from water vapour is not supported by empirical evidence and that the feedback is actually negative."

Don't believe AGW is a fraud, know it!

You need to post more media, than incorrect chemistry and a skeptic site link, to disprove warming, and as for AGW, I have one word, for you: CHAINSAWS.

You are having a real problem understanding real science. You are ignoring:

Throughout the last 650,000 years, CO2 peaks, at 280 ppm, then drops, forcing a gradual, zig-zag drop, in temperature, until CO2 hits 180 ppm, at which time it starts back up, on a relatively fast forcing, of warming, back to the Pleistocene-Holocene maximum, where we are, today, EXCEPT HUMANS CUT FORESTS AND BURNED FOSSIL FUELS, particularly by the time the CHAINSAW was in use. CO2 shot up, after WWII, to about 400 ppm, today, and it is headed for 1000 ppm or more.

Warming is accelerating, despite less solar intensity, over the last several decades. More CO2 and a lot of CH4 are out-gassing, from warming lands and waters. When the Arctic ice and glacial ice all melts, ice albedo will be greatly reduced, while more H2O will be in the atmosphere, where it doesn't all form clouds, but like CO2 and CH4 and the rest, it will trap IR.

Since wildfires, floods, desertification, and droughts are part of the climatic changes, warming will accelerate. We are past all tripping points, in the way of RUNAWAY GLOBAL WARMING. If we stop all emissions, the sea level will still rise, several feet.

Sea level rise will be anywhere, from 25 m to 50 m or more, depending on issues we won't see.

Since CO2 is rising 10x faster, than before the PETM extinction, and CH4 is out-gassing, faster, than before the P/T extinction, we will likely see family and species failure, approaching that of the P/T extinction, THE LEADING EXTINCTION EVENT, OF ALL GEOLOGIC TIME.

Just how much denial do you have? Enough to get fired, from ANY teaching job, without somebody telling you how when you regularly crap your pants, you forget to change.

So when we notice Drapela had a PhD in criminology, and another poster comments a lot of his students failed chem exams, we have more background information, as to how he got to strike three, at OSU. He just didn't belong, at a major university, even as a student. NOBODY who is too dense, to understand how global warming is not only runaway, but humans contributed, and climate change is related and underway should be an instructor, at any university.

If ya-all skeptics even make it to student, I am sorry, for the institution, which admits you. You are like the flat-earthers, the witch-hunters, the inquisitors, and the dead bath-house patrons, which shot speed and turned tricks, to shove their doses of HIV, all the way past AIDS, to death.

Anti-AGW skeptics are completely out of place, in the modern world. Get a clue. Spain ended their Inquisition, finally. Pope Benedict says skeptics are atheists. The bath-houses are CLOSED. Good riddance, Drapela.

Originally Posted by Shanty

My wife is an adjunct professor, who is not full time. Many universities offer up contracts to instructors and adjunct profs for a semester at a time. There usually is not much an adjunct or instructor can do legally, if they feel the university is not picking them up for another semester.

It's true that academic labor is often exploited--more now than ever before. It appears that the person under discussion was full-time, and he had several years of uninterrupted service. This often conveys some privilege, depending on the university system. We'll have to see if his lawsuit goes anywhere.

See the convenient graph? Solar intensity has been down. But temperature is UP and rising. CO2 is a GHG. Its concentration is rising.

Drapela and his attorney have apparently seen Drapela's employee file, but they claimed the reason for his dismissal is NOT in the file.

According to comments at the Corvallis Gazette-Times, no reason need be given, to release Drapela, from his contract. An employee file is not going to claim their subject sucks, which is apparently the case, relative to the flat-earth brand media, Drapela offered OSU, which just couldn't put into writing, "HEY. This DDD is a complete idiot. Lose him, somehow!"

Anybody should get FIRED or released, who has a PhD in criminology, who somehow got hired, to teach chemistry, but remains obtuse enough, to deny the greenhouse effect is forcing temperature UP, who fails 60% of his class at a mid-term, may also be telling his classes stuff, like alleged at the following Corvallis Gazette-Times blog, that depleted uranium is NOT radioactive:

Letter: Were prof

I took a chem class from Prof. Drapela many years ago. He taught several hundred students that depleted uranium is 100% unradioactive. This is 100% false, and akin to a biology professor teaching "intelligent" design.

Differences in opinion which are valued, but the teaching of patent falsehoods to impressionable students can't be tolerated - they go out in the world representing the quality of instruction at OSU. Suppose we taught that tides were caused by magnetism, or airplanes fly due to antigravity devices? The University would soon become a laughingstock.

You can't put succinct comments, like "DDDrapela sucks!" in a file, at a place, where another poster claims it took him 2 years, to get a subject dismissed, complete with all kinds of documentation:

I agree that I have not seen Professor Drapela's file so you got one thing right. I do know how the university works though because I terminated employees at OSU in my time there. Professor Drapela's employee file will have the reason for not renewing his contract because the university will make sure that it can defend that reason in the case of a lawsuit. That is a fact Harry.

I do not need to see the exact contents of his file to know that there will be enough documentation in it. In one of my experiences I had to build a case for two years with write-ups, poor performance appraisals and documentation of missed work before I could terminate an employee. It had to be approved by both HR and legal before the university would move forward. Or do you believe that OSU would just wing in in this case H****? Please answer that question directly in a simple yes or no.

Professor Drapela has access to his employee file and all of the documentation in it. You don't dispute that fact. Yet you have yet to answer why Professor Drapela hasn't made those reasons public? You want us all to believe that he hasn't taken the simple effort to ask to review his employee file but he has made the effort to go public with the media.

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OSU's DDDrapela had GoGoGo!!! NowNowNow!!! The more I learn about DDDs, the more I fear them. OSU hired one and released him.