View Poll Results: What will be the likely ruling of the SCOTUS on gay marriage in June?

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  • State gay marriage bans ruled un-Constitutional

    8 34.78%
  • States must honor out-of-State legal gay marriages only

    5 21.74%
  • Both

    13 56.52%
  • Neither, the SCOTUS rules gay marriage bans legal, no honoring other icenses

    1 4.35%
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Thread: SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage bans/gay marriage rights in June...what's your view-

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    SCOTUS ruling on gay marriage bans/gay marriage rights in June...what's your view-

    I'll be cautiously optimistic and go with "B" only.

    I think some of the previous decisions to let licenses continue over some local justice's opposition (i.e. Roy Moore in Alabama) and a good case on the "full faith and credit" clause, will eventually make it a 5-4, even a 6-3 decision that State same-sex marriage licenses must be honored in other States, even if not issued in that State.

    IOW, same law for heterosexual marriages today. Mary and Jack get married in Utah, they're still legally married in Vermont. So, if Mary and Alice get married in Vermont, they're still legally married in Utah.

    Then it's a simple matter of gay couples in states where the licenses are not allowed....going to states where they are allowed, getting married, and returning home. Boom.....de facto national legalization of gay marriage.
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    I'm all in for "both" I would be very surprised if it goes any other way. The lawyers for the states are going to have a hard time countering the arguments of the petitioners in the Michigan case (The others are equally persuasive) :

    In The
    Supreme Court of the United States
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    APRIL DEBOER, et al.,
    Petitioners,
    v.
    RICHARD SNYDER, et al.,
    Respondents.
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    On Writ Of Certiorari To The
    United States Court Of Appeals
    For The Sixth Circuit
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    BRIEF FOR PETITIONERS http://www.supremecourt.gov/Obergefe..._Of_DeBoer.pdf
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    He can't make us support wrong. Just like none of you could make Dr.s perform abortions if it was against their beliefs. That's why you have PP instead of going to regular hospitals for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    He can't make us support wrong. Just like none of you could make Dr.s perform abortions if it was against their beliefs. That's why you have PP instead of going to regular hospitals for them.
    But you're cool with making Doctors become outlaws if they DO perform abortions if it's not against their beliefs.

    Sure you're an awesome christian. How's that cave coming along ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    He can't make us support wrong. Just like none of you could make Dr.s perform abortions if it was against their beliefs. That's why you have PP instead of going to regular hospitals for them.
    Who is "he" ? Did you take a wrong turn someplace? This is about marriage equality.

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    Had this been before the Hobby Lobby case, I would have said the SC would fully support gay marriage at the federal level and overturn any state decisions. But since Hobby Lobby, I imagine they will take a different view on gay marriage, leaving some sort of "religious freedom" clause or state thing in for those religious groups, churches, etc. Not quite sure how it will exactly read but they will attempt to keep this open to some extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Had this been before the Hobby Lobby case, I would have said the SC would fully support gay marriage at the federal level and overturn any state decisions. But since Hobby Lobby, I imagine they will take a different view on gay marriage, leaving some sort of "religious freedom" clause or state thing in for those religious groups, churches, etc. Not quite sure how it will exactly read but they will attempt to keep this open to some extent.
    Yes, Hobby Lobby is disconcerting. However SCOTUS has made it clear that they will decide-yes or no- if same sex marriage is a right under the 14th amendment. No wiggling room there. I think it has already been decided in favor of marriage equality. It's gone to far- largely as the result of notable inaction on their part-to reverse course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Had this been before the Hobby Lobby case, I would have said the SC would fully support gay marriage at the federal level and overturn any state decisions. But since Hobby Lobby, I imagine they will take a different view on gay marriage, leaving some sort of "religious freedom" clause or state thing in for those religious groups, churches, etc. Not quite sure how it will exactly read but they will attempt to keep this open to some extent.
    Have to remember, the Republican Justices are Pro-Business type Republicans. But this is a matter of Governmental mandate and Constitutional law.

    Also, there is the "historical legacy" thing.

    While Scalia and Thomas will happily go down in the history books as anti-gay...as they are pure ideologues. I think Roberts, even Altio, certainly Kennedy realize that they don't want to go down in history as the "Plessy v. Ferguson" Court....to be later overturned (likely in their life-times) by a "Brown v. Board of Education" Court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freecell View Post
    He can't make us support wrong. Just like none of you could make Dr.s perform abortions if it was against their beliefs. That's why you have PP instead of going to regular hospitals for them.
    I realize you probably also think "The Gub'mint is going to MAKE churches perform gay marriages"....but your paranoia is groundless.

    BTW, as NeoVs stated, I also bet you'd have no problem with jailing doctors who DO perform abortion, would you?

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    Hmm???

    Not many optimistic opponents of gay marriage rights answering the poll, huh?

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