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    Anyone who can make a soft boiled egg has mastered the skills necessary for a simple, surgical abortion....and there are other methods.

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    "Life begins at conception" would have made no sense to humans before about 1940.

    People always thought life began at quickening...the female can feel the baby move. Happens at about the fourth month.

    Plenty of time to "interrupt" a future pregnancy that is unwanted.
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    IOW, women have had this shit handled since the Dawn of Time. It took men and women who hate other women to fuck up a perfectly good, privately handled no issue that women always handled by themselves, in private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    IOW, women have had this shit handled since the Dawn of Time. It took men and women who hate other women to fuck up a perfectly good, privately handled no issue that women always handled by themselves, in private.
    Most cultures have private methods for abortion. Always have. I think for those who pushed for it to come forward into the light, so to speak, did irreparable damage since then it became this moral issue. Otherwise it would have remained a private issue amongst women who took care of each other. In a way it was govt intervention who took over this issue and brought some sort of religious or morality into it. As you said, Amish, Mormon, Mennonite and just about every other deeply faithful group performed abortions as needed. Some even had gardens full of cotton root bark or black cohosh which when consumed induced a natural miscarriage. Religion never came into it.
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    IOW, women have had this shit handled since the Dawn of Time. It took men and women who hate other women to fuck up a perfectly good, privately handled no issue that women always handled by themselves, in private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The demand is constant across time. Women abort to protect themselves and their children, and always have. ...
    I disagree... Look at the rate of teenage pregnancies. That certainly hasn't been "constant across time." It's dropped like a stone, primarily in states that do not limit sex-education to "abstinence-only."

    Abortion rates will drop when the demand drops. Not when the availability of clinics drops.
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    Madeline....there is NO candidate running for President this year who is anti-Planned Parenthood.

    Even the "pro-life Right"....have no candidate-

    "Millions of millions of women -- cervical cancer, breast cancer -- are helped by Planned Parenthood," Trump said on the CNN debate stage in Houston.

    Donald Trump defends Planned Parenthood at Republican debate - CNNPolitics.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    IOW, women have had this shit handled since the Dawn of Time. It took men and women who hate other women to fuck up a perfectly good, privately handled no issue that women always handled by themselves, in private.
    Since the "Dawn of Time"....women have DIED due to botched abortions, some self-induced out of desperation.

    What's your answer to that? Go back to the "good ol' days"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Real life had intruded! How fucking rude is that?

    LOL.
    I appreciate this post and that you got back to me with a whole new thread. I certainly didn't want to cast aspersions against you for letting "real life intrude." I just wanted to challenge the claims you were making.

    Unfortunately, as I look through your links, I see what look like authoritative discussions of the history of abortion--and sites specifically dedicated to opposition to abortion. Here's the thing--the authoritative discussions don't mention Planned Parenthood beyond its participation as a plaintiff in a lawsuit. The attacks on PP come from people who wish to attack all abortions, so it makes sense that they would attack a large and well-known abortion provider.

    I question what your OP says about the nature of abortion pre-Roe. Yes, I know that abortion became controversial when it stopped being something midwives did. I don't know that it's as simple or as safe as you claim, or that unsafe abortions are a myth. My own father told me a story of being asked to find someone to provide an abortion to a young women he knew in college. He was a "local boy" and thus was able to access the community differently than those from out of the area. I remember his words: "I wouldn't take a dog to the places I saw."

    I haven't finished looking at all the links, but that's my impression so far of what you've presented.

    It makes sense to me that anyone with power over a particular thing (say, prescription drugs) would find removing that power to be unwise. Some of their arguments, however, will have merit. I know that the nice people at Reason magazine (one of the links in the other thread) would like to make all prescription drugs OTC. After all, why should someone have to spend a bunch of money on a doctor's appointment to get a Rx for a drug he already knows he needs. Of course, no oversight will result in needless harms, even deaths, but everyone will see that and thus learn to avoid those harms because they'll have seen the harms it does to others (sort of like mice stay away from a mousetrap once they see a dead mouse in it. This is the extreme market-oriented view.

    I still don't know why PP is so horrid. The people you link saying these things don't like abortions at all, no matter who is doing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I disagree... Look at the rate of teenage pregnancies. That certainly hasn't been "constant across time." It's dropped like a stone, primarily in states that do not limit sex-education to "abstinence-only."

    Abortion rates will drop when the demand drops. Not when the availability of clinics drops.
    Yes, because abortion was politicized and the network of midwives destroyed.

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