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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Since the "Dawn of Time"....women have DIED due to botched abortions, some self-induced out of desperation.

    What's your answer to that? Go back to the "good ol' days"???
    On that note:
    Bearing a child is still one of the most dangerous things a woman can do. It’s the sixth most common cause of death among women age 20 to 34 in the United States. If you look at the black-box warning on a packet of birth control pills, you’ll notice that at most ages the risk of death from taking the pills is less than if you don’t take them—that’s because they’re so good at preventing pregnancy, and pregnancy kills. The risk flips only after age 35 because birth control pills increase the risk of stroke. (Psst, guys, you know what makes an excellent 35th birthday present for your partner? Getting a vasectomy.)

    In the United States today, about 15 women die in pregnancy or childbirth per 100,000 live births. That’s way too many, but a century ago it was more than 600 women per 100,000 births. In the 1600s and 1700s, the death rate was twice that: By some estimates, between 1 and 1.5 percent of women giving birth died. Note that the rate is per birth, so the lifetime risk of dying in childbirth was much higher, perhaps 4 percent.
    Death in childbirth: Doctors increased maternal mortality in the 20th century. Are midwives better?

    https://thinkprogress.org/pregnancy-...22f#.5xvu9pvur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    With this I can agree. Still, the fact that my wife had to have an emergency C-section to deliver our first baby--head wouldn't fit through the bones of her pelvis and she was born with a big bruise on her forehead from banging up against it repeatedly--gives me pause.
    Your wife knew this by the 3rd trimester, correct? No midwife would say MDs are never needed to attend births.

    Just that they are not usually needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    How was the network of midwives "destroyed?" There aren't as many available today, because there's not as much demand for them. You might as well accuse grocers of destroying the network of milkmen.
    Madeline is right that the medical profession made war on midwifery and other non-doctor medical practices, starting at the beginning of the 20th century. Lots of professions (I'm thinking particularly of undertaking) that grew and became massively profitable because government regulation made them requirements--often because the dangers of non-professionals doing the work were hyped beyond reason.
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    Yeah. The practice of birthing in a hospital alone exposes mother and baby to killer bacteria they do not have in her home.

    Americans are at least 50 years behind any other first world nation on birthing care, and we have the mortality rates to prove it.

    Giving birth is not a "medical emergency". It's as natural as any other female-only function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Your wife knew this by the 3rd trimester, correct?
    No. There was no mention of it at all. That circumstance was discovered in the middle of her labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yeah. The practice of birthing in a hospital alone exposes mother and baby to killer bacteria they do not have in her home.

    Americans are at least 50 years behind any other first world nation on birthing care, and we have the mortality rates to prove it.

    Giving birth is not a "medical emergency". It's as natural as any other female-only function.
    And yet it has always been a leading cause of death for women--and it's a much greater risk in places where women don't give birth in hospitals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Madeline is right that the medical profession made war on midwifery and other non-doctor medical practices, starting at the beginning of the 20th century. Lots of professions (I'm thinking particularly of undertaking) that grew and became massively profitable because government regulation made them requirements--often because the dangers of non-professionals doing the work were hyped beyond reason.
    Oy! The funeral home profession is an interesting bit of history, too. And you are correct. Govdrnment regulated only to prevent the poor from doing burials without paying for a "process" nobody needed or wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Madeline is right that the medical profession made war on midwifery and other non-doctor medical practices, starting at the beginning of the 20th century. Lots of professions (I'm thinking particularly of undertaking) that grew and became massively profitable because government regulation made them requirements--often because the dangers of non-professionals doing the work were hyped beyond reason.
    Our local hospital had always allowed midwives in the birthing centers to allow for safer births. If the need arose or an emergency came, the woman was already there and an OB/GYN could take over and deliver the child by whatever medical means necessary. Then the doctors came together and decided they didn't want them there anymore. So they were forced back to private homes for births. So if the woman has an issue, time is lost getting the woman to the hospital. Midwives became very popular again in the 90s due to the whole family birth, natural birth phenomenon. Doctors didn't like it nor did the HMOs at the time. A crack down was in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And yet it has always been a leading cause of death for women--and it's a much greater risk in places where women don't give birth in hospitals.
    Not in Europe, it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Our local hospital had always allowed midwives in the birthing centers to allow for safer births. If the need arose or an emergency came, the woman was already there and an OB/GYN could take over and deliver the child by whatever medical means necessary. Then the doctors came together and decided they didn't want them there anymore. So they were forced back to private homes for births. So if the woman has an issue, time is lost getting the woman to the hospital. Midwives became very popular again in the 90s due to the whole family birth, natural birth phenomenon. Doctors didn't like it nor did the HMOs at the time. A crack down was in order.
    It's a personal choice. I had pre-eclampsia and nearly died, so it just wasn't on my radar back then.

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