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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    No it hasn't
    Who cares?

    It's meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Trump is. As best as anyone can tell.

    I remind all y'all that a SCOTUS justice is entirely independent once she assumes the position. Roe v. Wade is possibly the worst reasoned SCOTUS decision ever, and the science is different now than in 1973.

    IOW, even if we had elected Bernie, Roe is still vulnerable to revision.

    What is NOT vulnerable is the female's natural right to abort.

    Stop treating abortion rights like a battle flag. It is silly.


    It's phony, Madeline. If by some miracle Trump got elected...and he picked 1-2 even 3 "new Scalia's" on the US Supreme Court?

    The GOP would never ALLOW that court to overturn Roe. It'd be a political disaster for them. It'd go to the States and "pro-life" zealots would want Total Bans in places like Utah and Texas and Mississippi....

    and those states to ENFORCE such a ban would have to turn into "Taliban states".


    Plus an abortion ban is impossible to enforce EXCEPT against poor women. Middle class and rich women would always be able to take a "quick weekend trip" to California or New York State or Illinois.

    It would merely be there to make the "pro-lifers" feel "holy and righteous"....while poor women would suffer and an "Underground Railroad" would be set up by charitable pro-choicers to help those women escape to freedom in Pro-Choice States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    It's phony, Madeline. If by some miracle Trump got elected...and he picked 1-2 even 3 "new Scalia's" on the US Supreme Court?

    The GOP would never ALLOW that court to overturn Roe. It'd be a political disaster for them. It'd go to the States and "pro-life" zealots would want Total Bans in places like Utah and Texas and Mississippi....

    and those states to ENFORCE such a ban would have to turn into "Taliban states".


    Plus an abortion ban is impossible to enforce EXCEPT against poor women. Middle class and rich women would always be able to take a "quick weekend trip" to California or New York State or Illinois.

    It would merely be there to make the "pro-lifers" feel "holy and righteous"....while poor women would suffer and an "Underground Railroad" would be set up by charitable pro-choicers to help those women escape to freedom in Pro-Choice States.
    The right to privacy is safe, yes. The SCOTUS could allow states to criminalize abortion again, though I think the odds are better that aliens will land in Times Square.

    Point is, it doesn't matter. If made a crime, women will simply revert to the Ask Jane model and/or use abortificants.

    Criminalizing abortion would be terrible as it would set feminism back 200 years.....but no matter how oppressive the patriarchy, women continue to abort.

    It cannot be stopped.

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    Madeline is right that women themselves have always handled abortion.

    I know that in Russia, where, before the Communist Revolution in 1917, professional, high-quality medicine was only available to the rich and the nobility and royalty, all matters of health care among regular folks were handled by all kinds of traditional healers, witch doctors, learned monks and nuns, and just wise, old babushkas with their countless herb potions lol

    This, of course, included childbirth and, likely, abortion thereof too.

    Today, as well, Russian women living in remote villages, say somewhere in rural Siberia, with no access to sophisticated urban hospitals

    also, nonetheless, as you see, have no problem having kids, and, if needed, aborting them.

    Among the indigenous people of Siberia's Tuva republic, such functions are often performed by the particular tribe's shaman, who can be male or female


    Famous Tuvan Shaman Lazo Mongush (Golden Dragon)

    Like most Shamans, he comes from a long dynasty, no less than 11 (!) generations. In his many years on the... err... job, I guess, you would call it, he has not only healed many sick people and delivered births, and all sorts of other stuff, but garnered headlines, for his seemingly supernatural ability to somehow "awaken" comatose patients at the regional hospital!

    Today, majority of Tuvan people belong to either Tibetan Buddhism

    or Russian Orthodox Christianity


    Yet the Shamans and their ancient ways, which predate both these faiths by thousands of years, continue to maintain a respected position and powerful influence within society there


    The same is true among other indigenous Siberian peoples.

    In my homeland, Abkhazia, there are traditional pagan priests, who practice a religion the Abkhaz people embraced before Islam (practiced now by 12-16% of the Abkhaz) and Orthodox Christianity, now the majority religion

    About 8% of ethnic Abkhaz today claim adherence to the "Old Religion", which has no name. The number is growing, as tbe traditional faith is gaining interest and popularity among the people. Like the Siberian Shamans, Abkhazia's pagan priests too provide health care, as well as spiritual, services for poor, rural people, and really, many people, in the reublic's generally run down official health care system, which has mostly been in shambles and ruins since the 90s wars with the Georgians.

    You can find similar stuff in India, Africa, South America.

    Traditional customs and medicine should never just be dismissed. They did, after all, work for many millions of our ancestors, long before the advent of modern medicine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nope. It's still our medical care. You can weigh for all those variables and you will still see the US doing worse than, say, Panama.
    But no one has actually accounted for all those variables. You say that it won't matter - but that's just not the case. In the example I linked, it states that obesity increases childbirth mortality by as much as 4x. Also, Panama has a childbirth mortality rate that's roughly quadruple that of the United States. You probably want to use a different example.
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    Don't forget that PP has been fined for Medicaid fraud for charging for Breast cancer exams THEY DID NOT PERFORM and other testing they did not perform.
    I don't know the PARTICULARS of this but MANY, maybe all, DO PERFORM BREAST CANCER SCREENING. When they find something and/or genetic background and/or other risk factors, they refer them for mammograms.

    But thanks for your CONCERN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    I don't know the PARTICULARS of this but MANY, maybe all, DO PERFORM BREAST CANCER SCREENING. When they find something and/or genetic background and/or other risk factors, they refer them for mammograms.

    But thanks for your CONCERN!
    Clarification: Planned Parenthood performs breast exams / screenings.

    While they do not specifically perform mammograms, Planned Parenthood provides the necessary information to patients, and connects them with affordable, local mammogram services by providing referrals and scheduling appointments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    There are other factors in play. For instance, look at average age of women giving birth. Look at the prevalence of medical conditions, such as diabetes and obesity. Look at the percentage of the population that has access to affordable health care. The United States stands out in ALL of these variables, and as such, it seems wrong to place the blame on "a lack of midwives."

    Back out every medically complex Americsn pregnancy. The mortality rate for the remaining, healthy American women and babies is obscenely higher than any other first world nation.

    That's what I mean by "weighting" the statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    I don't know the PARTICULARS of this but MANY, maybe all, DO PERFORM BREAST CANCER SCREENING. When they find something and/or genetic background and/or other risk factors, they refer them for mammograms.

    But thanks for your CONCERN!
    It's bullshit. Even if PP billed for exams it could not document, that means everything else they billed for was proper.

    That's an outstanding Medicaid provider, not a fraudster.

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    BTW, there's a stumper for any "pro-lifer" who talks about banning abortion....a question they'll eventually say "Okay, fine...it won't work EVERY time...but it'll stop SOME!"

    The question?


    "Tell us how you stop middle class and wealthy women from obtaining abortions?"


    They have no serious answer.
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