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    Planned Parenthood Is Anti-Human & Anti-Woman

    First, a bit of background: there were no laws criminalizing abortion until the mid 20th century, and they came into existence as doctors sought to exclude the unlicensed midwife from the practice of Ob/Gyn medicine generally. Prior to WW II, a middle class or poor woman giving birth was never attended by a doctor, and never delivered in a hospital. Etc.

    The criminal laws against abortion that exited in some 26 states on the day Roe v. Wade was handed down had NOTHING to do with any woman's right to obtain an abortion. The vast majority did not criminalize abortion-seeking, only abortion providing.

    The fact that attitudes had begun to harden against abortion, especially in states that criminalized it, was the reason women organized. Abortion is a simple procedure -- anyone can do it after watching a youtube video. It is rarely unsuccessful, as in, afterwards the female is still pregnant. It is the risk of infection that mainly kills, as women are humans and introducing foreign bodies into their guts is a tremendous risk if the entire surgical field is not sterile. OTOH, we knew that much medicine by the 19th century and sterilizing the field is not a sophisticated task only a scientist can perform.

    So, women would make note of actual MDs willing to perform a few abortions for their patients on the QT, but these were not enough. They also made note of midwives with the skills to do so safely, often women in the sex trade. It might have been a little scarey to go visit a brothel for a D & C, but it worked. The horror stories you hear about rusty coathangers are mainly cases where a female attempted to self-abort.

    These midwives were reached via a network known rather openly as Ask Jane.

    History of Abortion in the U.S. - Our Bodies Ourselves

    To evaluate the efficacy of Planned Parenthood, the compariosn should be to Ask Jane.

    * Females are not taken to sterile fields to obtain abortions. I have been in several PP clinics and NOT one has met even rudimentary cleanliness standards.

    * Females are not taken to midwives or trained, practicing doctors to obtain surgical abortions. Most PP MDs are so horrible, they are barely hanging on to their medical licenses. They are drunks, drug addicts, sexual abusers, etc. whom the Board of Medicine would dearly love to shove off the list of licensed MDs, and cannot. They are there because no other medical employer will hire them. Brave, feminist doctors who deeply believe in a woman's right to choose do exist, and do occasionally affiliate with PP (although most open their own clinics) but are not the norm.

    * Females are not given quality overall sexual health care. No one with any sense or any options sees a PP clinic for a pap smear, breast health exam, STD check, etc.

    History of Abortion in the U.S. - Our Bodies Ourselves

    Deaths at Planned Parenthood Show No Concern for Women | LifeNews.com

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    * They do not agitate for women's health, politically. Instead they agitate for the future of PP, most notably by limiting access to BC and supporting the Catholic Church's lobbying efforts to keep abortificants (of which there are many, not just the Morning After Pill) off the drug store shelves. Less access to drug-induced abortions means more dependence on surgical abortions, and that is all PP is really about.

    Why Planned Parenthood Really Trashes OTC Birth Control

    Most American abortion rights supporters, men and women, have never been in a PP clinic and would be appalled if they did go. Haitians get better sexual health care than most PP patients.

    Let me add, I do not give a flying monkey fuck what PP did with the products of abortion. I care that the Catholic Church and others have prevented researchers from accessing the material out of a fear that women will get more abortions to advance stem cell research, which is so logically tormented as reasoning, it bites its own tail. Apart from this, no. I have no fucks to give.

    I go to the hospital and have my appendix out. My hospital finds a way to sell my unwanted appendix for Big Dollars. Good on them. Maybe my hospital can use that cash to control other runaway costs. Maybe they buy the head nurse a Lambroghini with it. IDC. If I had, I would have demanded that they hand over my appendix to me after the operation -- which is every surgical patient's right.

    I'm not sentimental about the human remains of formerly alive people, nevermind the unborn, so I do not want to reargue the PP videos again on this thread, if you don't mind.

    @Rasselas....I hope this Op is responsive to your questions asked elsewhere. Thanks for being patient, as I was too tired to answer immediately when you asked.

    Real life had intruded! How fucking rude is that?

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    If every PP Clinic in the US closed tomorrow, the incidence of abortion among American women would not change. The law cannot prevent women from aborting if they choose; the rate of abortion today in Saudi Arabia or Yemen is most likely more or less what it is in your town.

    Abortion is as much a natural female right, and act, as coping with menstruation. Self-care and mutual support among women on sexual health issues is a human behavior that has always existed, and always will exist. And the new abortificants make it scientifically possible for every female to avoid relying on anyone else, period, safely and effectively.

    Closing PP clinics would free up dough that could be better spent on sexual health clinics that actually do meet state laws regarding cleanliness and proper medical procedure. HOWEVER, these services would have to include abortions on demand, and the anti-sex, anti-woman nutters would have to stop bombing them and trying to FUBAR them in law and in Congress. We only need the crappy PP because of the skills they have developed in fighting off anti-abortion nutters.

    Nonetheless, in a perfect world, doing better than PP as a medical care provider would be easey-peasey.
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    Don't forget that PP has been fined for Medicaid fraud for charging for Breast cancer exams THEY DID NOT PERFORM and other testing they did not perform.
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    Am curious as to the future of PP in the age of Obamacare. PP only came about as affordable to free care for low income women. Now with everyone mandated to have healthcare, what is the future of PP? Do abortions go mainstream in doctors offices and surgical centers? I know locally our hospital opened up a surgical center and abortion is on the list of "day surgeries" they perform. It certainly also makes the procedure safer since extremists that protest PP clinics will no longer be able to harm or scare anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Am curious as to the future of PP in the age of Obamacare. PP only came about as affordable to free care for low income women. Now with everyone mandated to have healthcare, what is the future of PP? Do abortions go mainstream in doctors offices and surgical centers? I know locally our hospital opened up a surgical center and abortion is on the list of "day surgeries" they perform. It certainly also makes the procedure safer since extremists that protest PP clinics will no longer be able to harm or scare anyone.
    Well, as long as republicans want to dictate what medical care they deem to be moral or not, then PP is necessary. But I can see that changing in the future, like most of our history where we progress as the ignorants die off. 9/11 was a setback that brought the fear mongerers and the racists out of the woodwork, and hopefully the pinnacle will be when Trump loses the election big time.

    EVery industrialized country has universal healthcare, and it works great, i really don't get how people can think of it as such a horrible thing, except for the insurance companies and for profit hospitals robbing us blind and messing with people's lives and well being. I actually understand why, people are manipulated by fox new propaganda and lies. ANd they are greedy, selfish people
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Don't forget that PP has been fined for Medicaid fraud for charging for Breast cancer exams THEY DID NOT PERFORM and other testing they did not perform.
    Who hasn't? That's inevitable for any provider under Medicaid.

    Honest....it isn't proof that PP intentionally commits fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Am curious as to the future of PP in the age of Obamacare. PP only came about as affordable to free care for low income women. Now with everyone mandated to have healthcare, what is the future of PP? Do abortions go mainstream in doctors offices and surgical centers? I know locally our hospital opened up a surgical center and abortion is on the list of "day surgeries" they perform. It certainly also makes the procedure safer since extremists that protest PP clinics will no longer be able to harm or scare anyone.
    There were women's health clinics before 1973. There still are. That's why few Americans have ever been to a PP clinic.

    But...the midwives are gone or too hard to find. Thus, PP is the only abortion provider most American women can find.

    Comparing PP to Ask Jane, it is clearly inferior -- but in fairness, they probably did the best they could. The abortion wars were hellicious and those clinics were front lines.

    I do not mean to dishonor anyone killed or injured protecting the right to choose from the anti-woman freaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    Well, as long as republicans want to dictate what medical care they deem to be moral or not, then PP is necessary. But I can see that changing in the future, like most of our history where we progress as the ignorants die off. 9/11 was a setback that brought the fear mongerers and the racists out of the woodwork, and hopefully the pinnacle will be when Trump loses the election big time.

    EVery industrialized country has universal healthcare, and it works great, i really don't get how people can think of it as such a horrible thing, except for the insurance companies and for profit hospitals robbing us blind and messing with people's lives and well being. I actually understand why, people are manipulated by fox new propaganda and lies. ANd they are greedy, selfish people
    O, I think the GOP is all done with the Religious Reich, as both houses of Congress turn blue. Trump has killed that movement, or driven it underground.

    I pray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    If every PP Clinic in the US closed tomorrow, the incidence of abortion among American women would not change. The law cannot prevent women from aborting if they choose; the rate of abortion today in Saudi Arabia or Yemen is most likely more or less what it is in your town. ....
    Not true. Planned Parenthood operates many sex-education initiatives. They also provide contraceptives to those in need.

    If "every PP Clinic in the US closed tomorrow," I'd venture that the demand for abortions (and therefore the incidence rate) would increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Not true. Planned Parenthood operates many sex-education initiatives. They also provide contraceptives to those in need.

    If "every PP Clinic in the US closed tomorrow," I'd venture that the demand for abortions (and therefore the incidence rate) would increase.
    The demand is constant across time. Women abort to protect themselves and their children, and always have.

    What changes is from whom they seek care and how visible these abortions are to social scientists.

    There are no Amish farm women, e.g, who don't know how to perform a safe abortion, and like women elsewhere, they help one another privately if the need arises.
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