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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Not because I say so, but because it is. One makes a choice to be gay one cannot chose their race. Neither are the same.
    Really? When did you choose to be whatever the hell it is that you are?

    Never mind, it's irrelevant . Legally speaking, it is not even an issue. The courts have long since treated both race and sexual orientation as "immutable and innate characteristics and do not question why a person is whatever they are. I'll be looking forward you more of your inane equine excrement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Do you have a problem with the decision on interracial marriage? Same constitutional principles


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    No, it is NOT the same constitutional privilege (sic.) Gay marriage is NOT based on the 14th Amendment, but rather via a United States Supreme Court decision.

    Of that decision Justice Scalia wrote:

    "Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals, or any other group, promoting their agenda through normal democratic means." The majority's "invention of a brand-new 'constitutional right'", he wrote, showed it was "impatient of democratic change".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

    What I asked was, do you think it is within the jurisdiction of the courts to create new constitutional rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Not because I say so, but because it is. One makes a choice to be gay one cannot chose their race. Neither are the same.
    Not true, Michael Jackson chose to be white.

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    I'd like to say some things relative to this subject:

    The gay community is relying on a presupposed "right" that was created by the Supreme Court. They consider it a win. It is not. Too many people today are happy that they "won" regardless of how that supposed win was attained. George Washington said, in his Farewell Address:

    "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

    Avalon Project - Washington's Farewell Address 1796

    Since the OP brings it up, the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified:

    http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/perez.pdf

    David Lawrence: There is No "Fourteenth Amendment"!

    In the last few decades we've witnessed an illegal dismantling of our Constitution. And, while it is being dismantled, there is a subtle war being waged against the founding posterity of the Constitution. While it has become a requirement to be for inter-racial marriage and gay rights (sic), those same people are battling against the family. The left battles against religious liberty; they fight against American culture (the war against Christmas) and they loathe the very concepts that it took to establish our Freedoms and Liberties (i.e. the Right to keep and bear Arms.)

    I don't think that a form of government being created by deceit, fraud, and force such as what is happening will be able to sustain itself as a permanent form of government. That is why we have the push back from whites under the banner of the alt right, white nationalists, etc. So, my question of the OP is very specific. I'm not asking about his / her commitment to gay rights. I'm asking if he / she supports the road that the left is traveling to get where they are going. I don't really expect an answer. At least you know what has to happen at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    No, it is NOT the same constitutional privilege (sic.) Gay marriage is NOT based on the 14th Amendment, but rather via a United States Supreme Court decision.

    Of that decision Justice Scalia wrote:

    "Let me be clear that I have nothing against homosexuals, or any other group, promoting their agenda through normal democratic means." The majority's "invention of a brand-new 'constitutional right'", he wrote, showed it was "impatient of democratic change".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

    What I asked was, do you think it is within the jurisdiction of the courts to create new constitutional rights?
    And I answered that question. If you don't like or understand my answer, it's not my problem.

    Now, you are citing a excerpt from the dissenting opinion, while ignoring the majority opinion which clearly based the right of same sex marriage on the 14th Amendment. Either you never read the full opinion or you are just that dishonest. Which is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    I'd like to say some things relative to this subject:

    The gay community is relying on a presupposed "right" that was created by the Supreme Court. They consider it a win. It is not. Too many people today are happy that they "won" regardless of how that supposed win was attained. George Washington said, in his Farewell Address:

    "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

    Avalon Project - Washington's Farewell Address 1796

    Since the OP brings it up, the 14th Amendment was illegally ratified:

    http://www.constitutionalconcepts.org/perez.pdf

    David Lawrence: There is No "Fourteenth Amendment"!

    In the last few decades we've witnessed an illegal dismantling of our Constitution. And, while it is being dismantled, there is a subtle war being waged against the founding posterity of the Constitution. While it has become a requirement to be for inter-racial marriage and gay rights (sic), those same people are battling against the family. The left battles against religious liberty; they fight against American culture (the war against Christmas) and they loathe the very concepts that it took to establish our Freedoms and Liberties (i.e. the Right to keep and bear Arms.)

    I don't think that a form of government being created by deceit, fraud, and force such as what is happening will be able to sustain itself as a permanent form of government. That is why we have the push back from whites under the banner of the alt right, white nationalists, etc. So, my question of the OP is very specific. I'm not asking about his / her commitment to gay rights. I'm asking if he / she supports the road that the left is traveling to get where they are going. I don't really expect an answer. At least you know what has to happen at some point.
    Oh Christ ! Really??!! How much more dung are you going to throw at the wall in the hope that something will stick?? But to answer your question, yes I do support the "road we have traveled" using LEGITIMATE and accepted constitutional law to get there.
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    oh, you're one of those.
    haha
    OH so you're one of those also is that why you use 1 as an avatar and a handle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Not true, Michael Jackson chose to be white.
    Jackson wasn't white. sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    Really? When did you choose to be whatever the hell it is that you are?

    Never mind, it's irrelevant . Legally speaking, it is not even an issue. The courts have long since treated both race and sexual orientation as "immutable and innate characteristics and do not question why a person is whatever they are. I'll be looking forward you more of your inane equine excrement.
    Red herring again that boat is full of that smelly shit you're hauling around. maybe you should unload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Constitutional Sheepdog View Post
    Jackson wasn't white. sorry
    In spirit he was multi-racial. He respected all races.

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