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    It's my understanding that most transgenders who are murdered are prostitutes. Sexual sadists -- people who are sexually aroused by visiting violence and death on their victims -- often target prostitutes because they're less likely to be reported missing by family members, and have historically warranted less attention by homicide detectives... and polite society, for that matter. This is not to diminish or say bigotry or trans panic violence and deaths don't occur, it is to say that the increased chances for prostitutes of any stripe to encounter violent sexual predators should be considered in any discussions about sex related murders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    It's my understanding that most transgenders who are murdered are prostitutes. Sexual sadists -- people who are sexually aroused by visiting violence and death on their victims -- often target prostitutes because they're less likely to be reported missing by family members, and have historically warranted less attention by homicide detectives... and polite society, for that matter. This is not to diminish or say bigotry or trans panic violence and deaths don't occur, it is to say that the increased chances for prostitutes of any stripe to encounter violent sexual predators should be considered in any discussions about sex related murders.
    This thread is not about prostitutes being murdered.

    It's about men -- otherwise normal men -- who are not sexual sadists -- who either do want to have sex with a trans individual or at least _think_ they want to have sex with a trans individual, and then kill them when they think about how society will view them if they know they had sex with a trans person.

    It's about how we excuse/encourage/normalize that kind of thinking, when we would actively discourage it if it were a matter of race or religion which is making the man question his choice of partner.

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    The question posed in the title assumes that these are straight men who seek out these trans women. They may give every appearance of being straight, they may identify as being straight but they likely have some deep seated conflicts-either consciously or unconsciously -about their own sexuality and/or gender identity. The transwoman represents and embodies that conflict which sometimes translated into guilt and self loathing. It is easy to see that he could then project those dark thoughts onto the victim and become violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    alright... date. Call it what you want. Its out there hooking up for sex. I dont care what it is calling the activity...the reason is the same. Any male attention...and any cost for head issues of validation.

    men choose to be with real women... and kill them too.



    being trans does not make you any different or special.
    OK now, I know that RW conservatives at not exactly the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
    But you don't understand the difference between prostitution and social dating???
    What...The...Fuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    This thread is not about prostitutes being murdered.

    It's about men -- otherwise normal men -- who are not sexual sadists -- who either do want to have sex with a trans individual or at least _think_ they want to have sex with a trans individual, and then kill them when they think about how society will view them if they know they had sex with a trans person.

    It's about how we excuse/encourage/normalize that kind of thinking, when we would actively discourage it if it were a matter of race or religion which is making the man question his choice of partner.
    No, this thread and the article that inspired it are about making readers believe most transgenders are completely innocent bystanders who are murdered purely due to their transgenderism. What I'm saying is that you cannot discount the fact that society's violent sexual psychopaths are drawn to prostitutes for the reasons I stated, and that the transgender murder rate is therefore influenced by the high number of transgenders who are. It's a math thing...you should appreciate that.

    Too, if you're making yourself available for anonymous online hook-ups, your chances of encountering a violent sexual predator are not magically lessened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    This thread is not about prostitutes being murdered.

    It's about men -- otherwise normal men -- who are not sexual sadists -- who either do want to have sex with a trans individual or at least _think_ they want to have sex with a trans individual, and then kill them when they think about how society will view them if they know they had sex with a trans person.

    It's about how we excuse/encourage/normalize that kind of thinking, when we would actively discourage it if it were a matter of race or religion which is making the man question his choice of partner.
    So basically you are suggesting that some men murder trans individuals out of a shame.

    That is likely. But it is is also likely that some men murder trans individuals in a moment of passion after discovering their partner has a dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivePatriot View Post
    The question posed in the title assumes that these are straight men who seek out these trans women. They may give every appearance of being straight, they may identify as being straight but they likely have some deep seated conflicts-either consciously or unconsciously -about their own sexuality and/or gender identity. The transwoman represents and embodies that conflict which sometimes translated into guilt and self loathing. It is easy to see that he could then project those dark thoughts onto the victim and become violent.
    That post is loaded with assumptions which the author of the article hopes we can get past.

    Just as it is hoped that we can stop making a big deal out of "gay marriage" and just accept it as marriage, ... it is hoped that one day a straight man can enter into a relationship with a trans woman and it just be seen as a man and a woman together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    That post is loaded with assumptions which the author of the article hopes we can get past.

    Just as it is hoped that we can stop making a big deal out of "gay marriage" and just accept it as marriage, ... it is hoped that one day a straight man can enter into a relationship with a trans woman and it just be seen as a man and a woman together.
    Why would we want to get past important parts of the issue?

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    Statistically, transgender people are vastly more likely than others to be victims of violence, despite the fact they are unlikely to be perpetrators of violence. That's "different" in my book.
    more real women are killed in domestic violence and being killed by their male partners then trans. When there numbers are the same then they will have something to whine about.


    dont get me wrong, they should not be on the receiving end of domestic violence.... just like real women should not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    "greater scale"?

    Is it your claim that cis women get killed at a greater rate per capita than trans women?


    The murder rate for women in the U.S. is approximately 1 out of 50,000 if I'm interpreting the stats correctly. Is it your contention that trans women are murdered at a lower rate than 1 out of 50,000?
    how many women are killed by their male partners. How many trans are killed by their male partners.

    pretty sure more women are dead over trans.


    my contention is that violence is violence, murder is murder.

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