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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Right. So fundamentally you're objecting to a "huge" change that occurred decades ago and hasn't had any discernible negative effect on the incidence of child molestation. And your rationale for this objection is...?

    I'll wait.

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    The most recent change as to paraphilas, as I understand it, is nothing to do with thoughts or desires. It means that if you need/prefer to achieve orgasm while bound, or you like to be whipped for sexual.arousal, etc., you are not maladjusred unless you allow these behaviors to interfere with your life generally.

    So, BDSM is no longer per se a psychiatric illness, as long as the person can work, keep a home, pay his bills, etc.

    There was no change in the DSM, last revision, that I know of that bears on pedophilia.

    But I am only a casual observer. I could be wrong on this, easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    You think it's conservative groups who lobbied them to make the change?
    I don't think the science of psychiatry advances as a result of any political lobbying.

    This is medicine. It advances just like other kinds of medicine. Research, peer reviewed articles, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The most recent change as to paraphilas, as I understand it, is nothing to do with thoughts or desires. It means that if you need/prefer to achieve orgasm while bound, or you like to be whipped for sexual.arousal, etc., you are not maladjusred unless you allow these behaviors to interfere with your life generally.

    So, BDSM is no longer per se a psychiatric illness, as long as the person can work, keep a home, pay his bills, etc.

    There was no change in the DSM, last revision, that I know of that bears on pedophilia.

    But I am only a casual observer. I could be wrong on this, easily.
    Pedophilia is no longer a disorder. The OP misses this crucial fact when he quotes the part about the definition not having changed. The definition is not changed much, except one huge thing: it's no longer considered a disorder unless it BOTHERS one that one has urges to fuck children. If it doesn't BOTHER one, one is not sick.

    I could not more strenuously disagree.

    I do have some sympathy for pedophiles. I do believe they cannot help how they feel inside. But that is true of all mental disorders. I'm sure everyone who has one would like the 'stigma' removed but that should be too bad.

    The job of the DSM is NOT social justice. It's to be a manual.
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    Things like this are why I am no longer a die-hard liberal like I used to be. The liberal agenda goes too far. Way too fucking far. If you want to fuck children you have a mental disorder. Sorry, but it is what it is. The OPs comparison to homosexuality makes me want to puke. There is no comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Pedophilia is no longer a disorder. The OP misses this crucial fact when he quotes the part about the definition not having changed. The definition is not changed much, except one huge thing: it's no longer considered a disorder unless it BOTHERS one that one has urges to fuck children. If it doesn't BOTHER one, one is not sick.

    I could not more strenuously disagree.

    I do have some sympathy for pedophiles. I do believe they cannot help how they feel inside. But that is true of all mental disorders. I'm sure everyone who has one would like the 'stigma' removed but that should be too bad.

    The job of the DSM is NOT social justice. It's to be a manual.
    I had no idea.

    That is a massive change. I am stunned it did not have more news reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I had no idea.

    That is a massive change. I am stunned it did not have more news reports.
    It had quite a lot. For a minute, they were going to classify it as a sexual orientation. This was a compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Things like this are why I am no longer a die-hard liberal like I used to be. The liberal agenda goes too far. Way too fucking far. If you want to fuck children you have a mental disorder. Sorry, but it is what it is. The OPs comparison to homosexuality makes me want to puke. There is no comparison.
    I feel any sexual fantasy BY ITSELF is no proof of mental illness. If you need to imagine some disgusting act of cannibalism to achieve orgasm, it's still not proof of mental illness.

    But that is different from feeling aroused only by children.

    I agree with you. THAT is deviant and cannot be called "harmless".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    It had quite a lot. For a minute, they were going to classify it as a sexual orientation. This was a compromise.
    I swear, I paid attention at the time and never knew.

    But not by reading actual psychiatric journals or anything. Just the newspapers, etc.

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    Pedophilia is not a “sexual orientation,” and erroneous use of that phrase will be corrected soon in its new manual on mental illnesses, the American Psychiatric Association said Thursday.

    The APA’s statement came in response to media inquiries, including from The Washington Times, about an uproar on the Internet that the APA had designated pedophilia as a sexual orientation in its new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, known as DSM-5 or DSM-V.

    About a week ago, a blog called NeonTommy, produced at Annenberg Digital News at the University of Southern California, said the APA had drawn a “very distinct line” between pedophilia and pedophilic disorder in its new manual.

    According to the DSM-5, pedophilia “refers to a sexual orientation or profession of sexual preference
    devoid of consummation, whereas pedophilic disorder is defined as a compulsion and is used in reference to individuals who act on their sexuality,” NeonTommy wrote.

    The item was picked up and circulated on countless other Internet sites. Many bloggers bashed the APA for “mainstreaming” deviance and capitulating to pro-pedophile groups. Others tied it to gay issues — one wag wrote that it was “time to change the LGBT letterhead to LGBT&P.”

    APA to correct manual: Pedophilia is not a 'sexual orientation' - Washington Times
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    That is just insane.

    WTF doesn't hate child sex abuse, liberals or conservatives?

    Even death row inmates hate pedophiles.

    WHY would the APA do that?

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