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    That is just insane.

    WTF doesn't hate child sex abuse, liberals or conservatives?

    Even death row inmates hate pedophiles.

    WHY would the APA do that?
    To de-stigmatize it. It's been used against people in child custody cases, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    To de-stigmatize it. It's been used against people in child custody cases, for instance.
    FALSE allegations, yes. And our family courts are coping. Most now conduct an inquiry and if the result is that the mother lied, she usually loses custody.

    This change is just plain stupid. I sure hope it doesn't impact the criminal law.

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    FALSE allegations, yes. And our family courts are coping. Most now conduct an inquiry and if the result is that the mother lied, she usually loses custody.

    This change is just plain stupid. I sure hope it doesn't impact the criminal law.
    I honestly feel bad for pedophiles who don't want to feel the way that they do. I saw in a show a fictional dramatization of a man like this and it was very sad. He wanted the drugs that rendered him unable to achieve an erection. He didn't want to offend. It's all well and good to feel bad for people with mental disorders but we don't de-classify them as such. Or we shouldn't, anyway.

    Schizophrenics would probably also like to be de-stigmatized but things are what they are, and the DSM is supposed to be a manual of mental illness and disorders, not a social justice mission.

    I completely understand that what is and is not a disorder depends partially on societal norms. But to reach the point where we want to normalize pedophilia is a long bridge too far.

    Pedophiles need treatment so that they don't become offenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I honestly feel bad for pedophiles who don't want to feel the way that they do. I saw in a show a fictional dramatization of a man like this and it was very sad. He wanted the drugs that rendered him unable to achieve an erection. He didn't want to offend. It's all well and good to feel bad for people with mental disorders but we don't de-classify them as such. Or we shouldn't, anyway.

    Schizophrenics would probably also like to be de-stigmatized but things are what they are, and the DSM is supposed to be a manual of mental illness and disorders, not a social justice mission.

    I completely understand that what is and is not a disorder depends partially on societal norms. But to reach the point where we want to normalize pedophilia is a long bridge too far.

    Pedophiles need treatment so that they don't become offenders.
    I am not sure "innocent pedaphiles" actually exist. Maybe....but if they do, I am.never going to feel compassion for them on a scale to what I feel for the victims of child sex abuse.

    Dr. Phil did a show on this in the spring. A woman claimed her husband told her he was an "innocent pedophile" 5 years after they got married, but "she still loved him" and would never leave him.

    O, and she had granddaughters his favorite age, AND she fostered 6 girls with him after he told her. But "nothing happened".

    Which she knows, because "he would never lie to her".

    Either these two were lying their asses off or something even creepier motivated them to vomit up this bullshit on t.v.

    But why Dr. Phil had them on at all mystified me. Presumably as a ratings grab.

    Maybe Dr. Phil had a darker motive. IDK. IDC.

    Fucking 45 minutes of this and I felt like I needed a shower. It was really disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    Homosexuality is no comparison because it involves consenting adults. I can't believe you even said that.
    You're moving too far away from desire and too close to actual abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    You're moving too far away from desire and too close to actual abuse.
    Whut? Not every GLBT couple is into BDSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I am not sure "innocent pedaphiles" actually exist. Maybe....but if they do, I am.never going to feel compassion for them on a scale to what I feel for the victims of child sex abuse.

    Dr. Phil did a show on this in the spring. A woman claimed her husband told her he was an "innocent pedophile" 5 years after they got married, but "she still loved him" and would never leave him.

    O, and she had granddaughters his favorite age, AND she fostered 6 girls with him after he told her. But "nothing happened".

    Which she knows, because "he would never lie to her".

    Either these two were lying their asses off or something even creepier motivated them to vomit up this bullshit on t.v.

    But why Dr. Phil had them on at all mystified me. Presumably as a ratings grab.

    Maybe Dr. Phil had a darker motive. IDK. IDC.

    Fucking 45 minutes of this and I felt like I needed a shower. It was really disgusting.
    Paraphillia is the sexual desire. Sexual abuse is the act.

    A horrible example would be...rape fantasy. Just because some people find that arousing...does not mean they actually want to...or will rape.

    Now add the extra taboo of children and that complicates the who diagnosis. I believe that is what the problem is...when does "regular" pedophile desire [regular as more common among pedophillacs] change to more aggressive desires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    I have to stop you right there. They can have the desire and fantasize about it but if it doesn't bother THEM there is no disorder.

    A paraphilic disorder is a paraphilia that is currently causing distress or impairment to the individual or a paraphilia whose satisfaction has entailed personal harm, or risk of harm, to others. A paraphilia is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for having a paraphilic disorder, and a paraphilia by itself does not necessarily justify or require clinical intervention.

    https://medium.com/pedophiles-about-...-5-fcd17659889
    Sorry - If you have a sexual desire for children - YOU HAVE A SERIOUS DISORDER. This is not a crime, it is a perverted disorder.

    Acting on that desire is a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Paraphillia is the sexual desire. Sexual abuse is the act.

    A horrible example would be...rape fantasy. Just because some people find that arousing...does not mean they actually want to...or will rape.

    Now add the extra taboo of children and that complicates the who diagnosis. I believe that is what the problem is...when does "regular" pedophile desire [regular as more common among pedophillacs] change to more aggressive desires.
    Uh, no.

    Not at all what I understood.

    OTOH, clearly I don't understand WTF the APA was doing to the DSM.

    I thought I did.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Uh, no.

    Not at all what I understood.

    OTOH, clearly I don't understand WTF the APA was doing to the DSM.

    I thought I did.....
    Pedophilia used to be a disorder. With the same criteria as the new Pedophilic Disorder has now. Now there is a separate thing called pedophilia which is not a disorder. It's on par with the other filias you mentioned.

    The OP is right in the sense that the disorder criterion has not changed. However the definition of Pedophilia certainly has. Drastically. It's not a disorder. It's a sexual preference that isn't acted on and doesn't cause distress to the person with the attraction.
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