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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    Milo Yiannapolis, is that you?
    Well, I am not a homosexual. Nor Greek. So... No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    My question is, what do we consider pedophilia. The definition.

    Like, when I was 11, I was at a summer camp in Russia, where a lady employee in her 20s, took me out to the woods, many times, damn near every day, and... well... taught me the ways of pleasuring a way, shall we say. That was my first ever sexual experience... lol As it turned out, I was later told by others, she been at that camp five years or so by then, and every summer, she would pick one of us boys from the group she supervised, and make him or them her favourite for them summer, if you know what I mean.

    To this day I don't see her as a "pedophile", as I don't consider myself to have been "abused" or "molested" or otherwise victimised in any way. I enjoyed the whole damn thing... And... I was a recent refugee from a fucking warzone. I had no friends at the camp then, where my uncle sent me specifically to recuperate a bit, the summer I arrived to Moscow from Abkhazia. The year before, the Georgians tried to start a bloody insurrection in Abkhazia, which, after their defeat, resulted in violent retaliation against their civilians. I had literally seen people being fucking killed in the streets, just months before I came to that camp. And that woman, Yulia, pretty much helped me through it all. Let me unload all my nasty memories on her. She was my counsellor, therapist, whatever; as well as... lover, yes. She helped me heal, emotionally.

    So... I am, frankly, grateful to her. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Not to mention she made many of us boys damn excited about going to that camp summer after summer, always hoping she'd pick one us again lmao I actually did get chosen once more, couple years after...

    Anyway... Yes, this is what complicates my views on this thing, this experience of mine...
    Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

    What does prepubescent mean? Basically it means sexually immature - which you obviously were not judging from your reaction to the experience.

    Typically boys start to mature sexually around the ages of 11 or 12 and girls a year earlier.

    This also brings me to the point I was trying to make in my initial comment (though unsuccessfully) that pedophiles have a primary or exclusive sexual attraction toward young children. The odds of someone who is attracted to adults also being a pedophile are unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    My question is, what do we consider pedophilia. The definition.

    Like, when I was 11, I was at a summer camp in Russia, where a lady employee in her 20s, took me out to the woods, many times, damn near every day, and... well... taught me the ways of pleasuring a way, shall we say. That was my first ever sexual experience... lol As it turned out, I was later told by others, she been at that camp five years or so by then, and every summer, she would pick one of us boys from the group she supervised, and make him or them her favourite for them summer, if you know what I mean.

    To this day I don't see her as a "pedophile", as I don't consider myself to have been "abused" or "molested" or otherwise victimised in any way. I enjoyed the whole damn thing... And... I was a recent refugee from a fucking warzone. I had no friends at the camp then, where my uncle sent me specifically to recuperate a bit, the summer I arrived to Moscow from Abkhazia. The year before, the Georgians tried to start a bloody insurrection in Abkhazia, which, after their defeat, resulted in violent retaliation against their civilians. I had literally seen people being fucking killed in the streets, just months before I came to that camp. And that woman, Yulia, pretty much helped me through it all. Let me unload all my nasty memories on her. She was my counsellor, therapist, whatever; as well as... lover, yes. She helped me heal, emotionally.

    So... I am, frankly, grateful to her. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Not to mention she made many of us boys damn excited about going to that camp summer after summer, always hoping she'd pick one us again lmao I actually did get chosen once more, couple years after...

    Anyway... Yes, this is what complicates my views on this thing, this experience of mine...
    Sexual desire for children who have begun to mature, physically, but are not yet adults is called pedarasty. This is a different phenomenon from pedophilia, which is the desire for children who have not yet begun to show any signs of secondary sex characteristics, like body hair.

    Pedarasty doesn't arouse as much anger in the public, in part because the line between adolescence and adulthood is not fully agreed upon. But it is not a pain free crime. Teens who are sexually abused by an adult are likely to suffer extreme isolation, depression and other ill effects. The kids can be infected with diseases, and the girls can get pregnant.

    Basically, it destroys a teen's sense of personal power, because they cannot consent. Being forced to have sex is almost always horribly damaging.

    What happened to you probably has had a very different impact partially because at 11, where you were, you were effectively almost an adult.

    21st century American teens exploited in this way frequently grow suicidal. They certainly have no close friends and are alienated from their families. Male victims appear to suffer more, because few members of the public view their suffering as real, though this is beginning to change.

    It's a crime for excellent reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

    What does prepubescent mean? Basically it means sexually immature - which you obviously were not judging from your reaction to the experience.

    Typically boys start to mature sexually around the ages of 11 or 12 and girls a year earlier.
    Huh... Interesting, I didn't know that.

    So, what do they call someone who molests a 12 or 13 year old girl or boy?

    EDIT: never mind, Madeline already answered my question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I can appreciate what you are trying to do here. No one should believe that homosexuals are a greater risk to their children than heterosexuals are. You can probably thank the catholic church for that impression.

    But you're right - the fact is pedophiles have no interests in adults and tend to be attracted to children no matter what their sex is.

    In short: no homosexual who is attracted to other adults is a likely a threat to your child. Just know that when I say child I am talking about actual children here - not sexually mature teenagers.
    Gay priests have/had sex with other ADULT men, Jeremy. Often other priests. Even among Catholic clergy, sexual desire for children is the abborant personality defect of pedophilia.

    And GLBT people are not angels. Some are criminals, including pedophiles. That is, some pedophiles do masquerade as GLBT people. There's more than a few serial killers of this type, such as Dean Coril in Texas.

    But compared to apparently heterosexual child rapists, the ones pretending to be GLBT are rare.

    The bottom line is, no adult is guaranteed safe because of their job or their apparent sexual orientation. Kids should be taught to repel unwanted touching from ANY adult, every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Huh... Interesting, I didn't know that.

    So, what do they call someone who molests a 12 or 13 year old girl or boy?

    EDIT: never mind, Madeline already answered my question.
    Technically the official cut off date for pedophilia is 13 I believe.

    Though like I said - that's pushing the envelope as many boys are already pubescent by the age 11 or 12. So it's debatable whether or not that's actually pedophilia - and would explain why you didn't feel victimized when it happened to you. Because you were already sexually mature enough to enjoy the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    In the Prop 8 campaign in California, circa 2008, California voters eliminated the rights of same sex couples to marry after a vicious, untruthful, enormously well-funded campaign that sought to link the risk of child sex abuse in the public's mind with the acceptance of GLBT people.

    This campaign was funded predominantly by the Mormon and Catholic churches in the US, two of the most anti-sexual groups in our history. It was pernicious in part because at least the Catholic church had been a huge source of actual child sex abuse, and had had the most sophisticated, albeit painful, education in its cause known to modern man.

    This lie gets recycled often. A propaganda campaign costing SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS has had some lingering effect.

    What the liars gloss over is, parents and other adults looking to keep kids safe are misled and lured into actually putting children at risk, when they fall for this rancid bullshit.

    It's a lie told not to protect kids, as it actually endangers them. It's told to demonize law-abiding, perfectly normal GLBT people, because without sexual repression, the anti-sex religions have no real hope of maintaining political power in the U.S. Power which, IMO, they have no business coveting to begin with.

    Just to clarify: 99% of child sex abuse is committed by an adult known to the child and its family. Pedophiles and pedarasts are adults who masquerade as trustworthy, heterosexual adults 99% of the time.

    You want to protect your child? Trust nobody over your kid's own complaints. Teach your child bodily integrity and autonomy, meaning, don't force them to submit to anyone's physical touching if they resist. Etc.

    Your kid will no more be assaulted by your gay cousin and his husband than he will be killed by falling space debris. It's your sister's new boyfriend, the pretty young teacher at school, or his boy scout leader who will commit child sex abuse.

    Actual child sex abusers who are the same gender as their victims are obviously not unknown, but they are not gay. Gay adults desire other ADULTS. Only pedophiles desire children, and which child they choose to attack has as much to do with opportunity as it does that child's gender.

    Hair color is as much a preference among pedophiles as gender.

    Don't let some hideous lie cause you to leave your kid unprotected while you go on some snipe hunt for pedophiles in the one place they are LEAST likely to be found: openly GLBT people in your community.
    And yet I sit here listening to the news about Cardinal Pell, and chuckle to myself about some Christian groups claiming gays are paedophiles. Anything to distract from the problem in their own organisations I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Gay priests have/had sex with other ADULT men, Jeremy. Often other priests. Even among Catholic clergy, sexual desire for children is the abborant personality defect of pedophilia.

    And GLBT people are not angels. Some are criminals, including pedophiles. That is, some pedophiles do masquerade as GLBT people. There's more than a few serial killers of this type, such as Dean Coril in Texas.

    But compared to apparently heterosexual child rapists, the ones pretending to be GLBT are rare.

    The bottom line is, no adult is guaranteed safe because of their job or their apparent sexual orientation. Kids should be taught to repel unwanted touching from ANY adult, every time.
    As I pointed out in my previous post, pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children

    Most of the victims of these gay priests (maybe all of them) were with males ages 15 and up. These were not prepubescent children Madeline. They were sexually mature teenage males. So I doubt if those priests were actually pedophiles - which would explain why they liked to have sex with adult males as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Where in my post did I say anyone who is interested in adults would never abuse a child?

    If you are going to call something I said ridiculous - at least make sure it was something I actually said.

    And pedophilia refers to being sexually attracted to very young children - not sexually mature teenagers who are simply under the age of legal consent. So bear that in mind when referring to underage girls.
    Sexual BEHAVIOR is not the same as sexual orientation or desire. Many child rapists are married, with kids of their own. They can function, sexually, with other adults even though children remain the focus of their desires.

    And of course, sex with other adults is much more readily available. Other than kidnappers, few pedophiles have all their sexual needs met by children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Sexual BEHAVIOR is not the same as sexual orientation or desire. Many child rapists are married, with kids of their own. They can function, sexually, with other adults even though children remain the focus of their desires.

    And of course, sex with other adults is much more readily available. Other than kidnappers, few pedophiles have all their sexual needs met by children.
    But I never said sexual behavior was the same as sexual orientation or desire.

    What I said in that post is that pedophilia refers to people who are sexually attracted to very young prepubescent children.
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