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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    And yet I sit here listening to the news about Cardinal Pell, and chuckle to myself about some Christian groups claiming gays are paedophiles. Anything to distract from the problem in their own organisations I suppose.
    In Russia, (Orthodox) Christian hardliners also deliberately conflate homosexuality with paedophilia, and attempt to link the two in people's minds, to encourage hatred and violence against LGBTs... It helps that the word "pederast" is similar to "pidoras", a Russian slur for gays. Those guys use these two words interchangeably, to make them seem synonymous... Evil bastards...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    As I pointed out in my previous post, pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children

    Most of the victims of these gay priests (maybe all of them) were with males ages 15 and up. These were not prepubescent children Madeline. They were sexually mature teenage males. So I doubt if those priests were actually pedophiles - which would explain why they liked to have sex with adult males as well.
    No, the victims of Catholic clergy sex abuse were not average age 15. Far from it. More like 8 or 9.

    And no, pedarasts are not pedophiles. Their behavior is less easily defined.

    You and I could likely agree to decriminalize sex between two 13 year olds, but agree to stiffen the penalties for sex between people over 21 and 13 year olds.

    The bottom line is, we are trying to agree on the age at which most teens can make knowing, voluntary, informed consent to have sex, and protect younger people from predators. It's never going to be perfect in every case, but that doesn't mean we cannot see the vicious, criminal nature of anyone over 30 who hunts for sex partners among 8th graders.
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    Plus, virtually every case of clergy sex abuse involved coercion based on spirituality. Kids were told their families would be excommunicated if they reported the crime, or that God wanted them to have sex with priests and nuns. Etc.

    Loss of faith is a common complaint now, among adult survivors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, the victims of Catholic clergy sex abuse were not average age 15. Far from it. More like 8 or 9.

    And no, pedarasts are not pedophiles. Their behavior is less easily defined.

    You and I could likely agree to decriminalize sex between two 13 year olds, but agree to stiffen the penalties for sex between people over 21 and 13 year olds.

    The bottom line is, we are trying to agree on the age at which most teens can make knowing, voluntary, informed consent to have sex, and protect younger people from predators. It's never going to be perfect in every case, but that doesn't mean we cannot see the vicious, criminal nature of anyone over 30 who hunts for sex partners among 8th graders.
    Well my information was the majority of them were around the age of 15. But after looking into further - it does seem my original information was a little off. It seems the majority of them were between the ages of 11 and 14. But again - these are still not prepubescent boys we are talking about here - though too young to give legal consent. So if anyone were to say these priests were all pedophiles - I would seriously doubt it. But it seems we've reached a contention of agreement here that pedarasts are not pedophiles, so I'll take that. That was really the only point I was trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Well my information was the majority of them were around the age of 15. But after looking into further - it does seem my original information was a little off. It seems the majority of them were between the ages of 11 and 14. But again - these are still not prepubescent boys we are talking about here - though too young to give legal consent. So if anyone were to say these priests were all pedophiles - I would seriously doubt it. But it seems we've reached a contention of agreement here that pedarasts are not pedophiles, so I'll take that. That was really the only point I was trying to make.
    The SNAP Network data puts the average age at 8.

    These are predominantly cases of genuine pedophilia. In fact, a recognized pattern exists of the abuse ending midway through adolescence, or about age 15.

    Hard to know what assumptions we can make about pedophiles generally, based off the Catholic clergy scandals and other organized conspiracies. The experts think most abusers chose boys because the stigma of homosexuality was so pernicious in the Catholic church. The use of shame to silence a victim is probably common among all pedophiles.

    In places like Thailand, where children are not protected at all, the trafficked girls outnumber the boys. It's likely the average pedophile will choose an opposite sex child most of the time, if all options are open.

    The takeaway for parents is, nobody can be presumed safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The SNAP Network data puts the average age at 8.

    These are predominantly cases of genuine pedophilia. In fact, a recognized pattern exists of the abuse ending midway through adolescence, or about age 15.

    Hard to know what assumptions we can make about pedophiles generally, based off the Catholic clergy scandals and other organized conspiracies. The experts think most abusers chose boys because the stigma of homosexuality was so pernicious in the Catholic church. The use of shame to silence a victim is probably common among all pedophiles.
    Wikipedia puts the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    That's one theory - that they were pedophiles who specifically chose boys due to the taboo of homosexuality among Catholics and the possible shame involved. Another theory however might be that they were simply repressed homosexuals who had retreated into the priesthood out of guilt and finally gave in to natural tendencies toward pederasty (which was common among homosexuals through-out history and in many different cultures). And to be honest, I find that is probably more likely... at least in a majority of cases.

    But we can agree to disagree about that.

    In any case - we can both agree that forcing yourself onto another person without their consent is rape no matter their age is. But when both parties are willing participants the issue isn't so clear to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Wikipedia puts the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.

    That's one theory - that they were pedophiles who specifically chose boys due to the taboo of homosexuality among Catholics and the possible shame involved. Another theory however might be that they were simply repressed homosexuals who had retreated into the priesthood out of guilt and finally gave in to their natural tendencies toward pederasty (which was common among homosexuals through-out history and in many different cultures). And to be honest, I find that is probably more likely... at least in a majority of cases.

    But we can agree to disagree about that.
    Repressed homosexuals who finally get laid choose ADULT partners.

    The degree to which pedarasty is a result of a severe personality defect probably depends on how young the chosen victim is, how many such victims there are, etc. Any adult with an 8th grader as her victim is almost certainly major league personality defective.

    But legally, that issue is immaterial, except that it helps identify which adults will reoffend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Repressed homosexuals who finally get laid choose ADULT partners.

    The degree to which pedarasty is a result of a severe personality defect probably depends on how young the chosen victim is, how many such victims there are, etc. Any adult with an 8th grader as her victim is almost certainly major league personality defective.

    But legally, that issue is immaterial, except that it helps identify which adults will reoffend.
    But who is to say what makes someone an adult? The current law says 18... but as I pointed out in past cultures that age of consent was much lower and pederast relationships were quite common among homosexuals in many different cultures historically.

    You can look at the comments of some of the more well-known homosexuals even today (such as another poster alluded to Milo Yiannopoulos) who view such relationships favorably so long as they are mutually consented to.

    So I believe you are a making a mistake if you think homosexuals (or anyone for that matter) only seek out relationships with those over the age of 18. Many don't and even more wouldn't if not for a law trying to prevent it. Sexuality - like most human emotions - are varied and wide ranging and do not fit neatly onto a sheet of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    But who is to say what makes someone an adult? The current law says 18... but as I pointed out in past cultures that age of consent was much lower and pederast relationships were quite common among homosexuals in many different cultures historically.

    You can look at the comments of some of the more well-known homosexuals even today (such as another poster alluded to Milo Yiannopoulos) who view such relationships favorably so long as they are mutually consented to.

    So I believe you are a making a mistake if you think homosexuals (or anyone for that matter) only seek out relationships with those over the age of 18. Many don't and even more wouldn't if not for a law trying to prevent it.
    This is also true of heterosexuals. The UK apparently puts the age of consent at 16, and their society has not disintegrated.

    The law must have an ascertainable measure, to determine who can consent. Psychiatrity and common sense tell us, some people are much younger or much older, when their capacity for consent finally emerges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is also true of heterosexuals. The UK apparently puts the age of consent at 16, and their society has not disintegrated.

    The law must have an ascertainable measure, to determine who can consent. Psychiatrity and common sense tell us, some people are much younger or much older, when their capacity for consent finally emerges.
    I'm not sure how much common sense there is on this issue to be honest.

    This is especially the case regarding homosexual relationships - which up until fairly recently were considered a pariah by society and still are in many quarters.

    For the most part - I believe people should be left to pursue the kind of relationships they want so long as both parties are willing. As to the legal age of consent - I don't have a perfect answer as I believe it likely varies depending on the individual.
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