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    A transgender woman is suing Mass. over placement at male prison

    Well I figured this was going to come up eventually and here it is.

    Should we allow prisoners to decide if they want to be housed in a woman's facility is the basic question here.

    I think if this is an option that most guys are going to claim to be TG just to avoid the rape in male prisons.

    The abuse this could cause for the females in women prison can't be underestimated.

    Being assigned to an all-male prison was traumatic enough. But a transgender woman incarcerated at MCI-Norfolk says she has been subjected to groping and taunting by male prisoners and correctional officers who routinely harass her because she identifies as a woman.

    Now, the 52-year-old prisoner, who has lived as a woman and received hormone therapy for nearly 40 years, is suing the Massachusetts Department of Correction in a bid to force the department to move her to the state women’s prison, MCI-Framingham.

    If successful, the lawsuit, filed Wednesday in US District Court in Boston, could make her the first transgender woman to be housed with other women prisoners in Massachusetts, said Jennifer L. Levi, director of the Transgender Rights Project at GLBTQ Legal Advocates & Defenders.

    Massachusetts, like most states, typically assigns inmates to prisons based on their anatomy, not their gender identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well I figured this was going to come up eventually and here it is.

    Should we allow prisoners to decide if they want to be housed in a woman's facility is the basic question here.

    I think if this is an option that most guys are going to claim to be TG just to avoid the rape in male prisons.

    The abuse this could cause for the females in women prison can't be underestimated.




    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...y.html?s_campa
    So this person has lived as a woman for years and you're worried about what may happen to women she may be housed with...when she has no history of sexual abuse...

    ...and you have no worries about her and the taunting and groping she is facing in male housing.

    Who is more in danger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    So this person has lived as a woman for years and you're worried about what may happen to women she may be housed with...when she has no history of sexual abuse...

    ...and you have no worries about her and the taunting and groping she is facing in male housing.

    Who is more in danger?
    You are missing the point.

    If the courts side with her that may effectively allow any male to claim to be TG and be housed with women.

    If you don't think they will try it you would be fooling yourself.

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    *facepaws*

    This is the same stupid argument used to try to keep us out of public restrooms. If it's so easy to pretend your trans, I urge you to give it a try. Go ahead and start telling people you identify as a woman now. See how that works out for you. It will be an educational experience for you no matter how it turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    *facepaws*

    This is the same stupid argument used to try to keep us out of public restrooms. If it's so easy to pretend your trans, I urge you to give it a try. Go ahead and start telling people you identify as a woman now. See how that works out for you. It will be an educational experience for you no matter how it turns out.
    And what exactly is difficult about it.

    Here:

    "I now feel I am a woman".

    See, not that difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    You are missing the point.

    If the courts side with her that may effectively allow any male to claim to be TG and be housed with women.

    If you don't think they will try it you would be fooling yourself.
    Why would any male have a claim of TG if they have never had a history of living as a woman or sought treatment for TG?

    How hard is it for medical personal to establish of a man has legitimately tried to transition? Do you think men claiming to be women would face no scrutiny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And what exactly is difficult about it.

    Here:

    "I now feel I am a woman".

    See, not that difficult.
    You know I meant in real life, and not the safe anonymity of your screen persona.

    See, here on PH you have a rather extensive credibility gap, so for the results to be valid you're going to have to woman up and do it in public with your head held high.

    Like I do every day.

    Or else you're just pissing into the wind like you do all the time here anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Why would any male make have a claim of TG if they have never had a history of living as a woman or sought treatment for TG?

    How hard is it for medical personal to establish of a man has legitimately tried to transition? Do you think men claiming to be women would face no scrutiny?
    You have to look at it from the legal perspective.

    How is the law going to determine when a man is TG or not other than when he claims to be.

    He could say he always was but was too afraid to come out.

    Legally, if this becomes precedent, you could not deny any man from making that claim.

    What you are telling us is that you must have practiced being a woman before the law will allow you to claim to be one.

    It doesn't work like that.

    For instance, your male friend comes up to you and says, "I believe I'm a woman trapped in a man's body".

    Are you going to tell him he's not until he has lived as a woman for this certain amount of time or would you encourage him from the start?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    You know I meant in real life, and not the safe anonymity of your screen persona.

    See, here on PH you have a rather extensive credibility gap, so for the results to be valid you're going to have to woman up and do it in public with your head held high.

    Like I do every day.

    Or else you're just pissing into the wind like you do all the time here anyway.
    So you want judges to determine whether or not a person is TG?

    Isn't that a violation of a TG'd rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So you want judges to determine whether or not a person is TG?
    What do you think I had to do to get an F on my driver's license?
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