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    I have not read the book. I do know about her via her relationship with Satre, her Nazi ties with Radio Vichy, her penchant for pedophilia, and her disdain for marriage and family. I doubt that her writings
    would have anything to offer me.

    I believe the majority of women are equal to or surpass men because they live their lives as equal, believe they are equal on their own merits, and make their own way. I also believe there are women who believe that altering the dictionary is what it takes to be equal to men.
    This is a post by someone who's already made up his mind and believes he knows what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I tried that myself, @syrenn. People under 50 can no longer understand me, and besides, I like some of their expressions. I knew that my speech was incurably corrupted the first time I actually said "LOL" in a spoken convo.

    That was in the '90's. These days, I feel grateful if my kid does not text me with ONLY emojis. Actual words, of any sort, are my new hill to die on.
    you totally missed my point. Calling an individual they or their is not proper english. The only word to replace he or she is the word.... it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    This is a post by someone who's already made up his mind and believes he knows what he's talking about.
    If I do not know what I am talking about, I trust you will correct the errors in my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    you totally missed my point. Calling an individual they or their is not proper english. The only word to replace he or she is the word.... it.
    The word you’re looking for is “one”

    “One should brush ones teeth after every meal”

    If one were to argue that “one” is not used in North American English, I would argue that the words “someone”, “anyone”, and “no one” are very much in use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    you totally missed my point. Calling an individual they or their is not proper english. The only word to replace he or she is the word.... it.
    Except that's no longer true when referring to a person on unknown gender. It's never appropriate to call a human being "it." And the generic "he" is no longer considered appropriate in most style books. Using "they" for the singular is still considered bad style in writing, but in speaking it's pretty much normal anywhere in America.

    Language changes constantly. Writers in English have been observing how much our language changes since they've made a serious study of the language--and change always comes from the young. In 1711, the poet Alexander Pope noted:

    Our sons their fathers' failing language see,
    And such as Chaucer is, shall Dryden be.
    That is, Chaucer's language (over 300 year old then) was almost unreadable even in Pope's time, and he thought the greatest writer of his own time (Dryden) would be unintelligible to us 300 years in the future (and it nearly is).

    "He, "she," "it," and "they" are all pronouns, which are probably the least changeable parts of speech--though they do change. Remember that not THAT long ago we said "Thee" and "thou" and "thine." Those sound arcane and silly to us today, but the pronouns we use were considered fanciful and overly highbrow when they were first introduced. On the other hand, we still use "they" and "their," which can be traced to the Vikings, with the first recorded use c1200AD.

    In short, the language is changing on this point, now as it always has--innovated by young people, resisted by older people, exhibited first in oral language and only later adopted into formal writing. But that process is happening and will probably be complete in under 50 years. By which time we'll both be dead and it won't matter.

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    Anyone interested a contemporary, scholarly disquisition on this point can find it at these sources, among others:

    Purdue University On-line Writing Lab (among the first and most widely used on-line resources for writing: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/595/04/

    University of North Carolina: https://writingcenter.unc.edu/tips-a...sive-language/

    National Council of Teachers of English: Guidelines for Gender-Fair Use of Language - NCTE

    AP Stylebook (the most widely used style among journalists): https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...ronoun-n739076

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    I have not read the book. I do know about her via her relationship with Satre, her Nazi ties with Radio Vichy, her penchant for pedophilia, and her disdain for marriage and family. I doubt that her writings
    would have anything to offer me.

    I believe the majority of women are equal to or surpass men because they live their lives as equal, believe they are equal on their own merits, and make their own way. I also believe there are women who believe that altering the dictionary is what it takes to be equal to men.
    Whut? WHUT? WHUT?


    Link, sir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    you totally missed my point. Calling an individual they or their is not proper english. The only word to replace he or she is the word.... it.
    "it" is not correct, as the object must be nonhuman.

    Pronouns: personal ( I, me, you, him, it, they, etc.) - English Grammar Today - Cambridge Dictionary

    This language does not currently have a commonly used, non-gendered singular pronoun.

    I think we should do. Does this make you want to punch a kitten in the nose?

    And if you are enraged, is the reason because your are an English language purist/traditionalist, or because you deeply resent being asked to make reference to other humans without gendering them?

    I can respect language purists. Sexists, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "it" is not correct, as the object must be nonhuman.

    Pronouns: personal ( I, me, you, him, it, they, etc.) - English Grammar Today - Cambridge Dictionary

    This language does not currently have a commonly used, non-gendered singular pronoun.

    I think we should do. Does this make you want to punch a kitten in the nose?

    And if you are enraged, is the reason because your are an English language purist/traditionalist, or because you deeply resent being asked to make reference to other humans without gendering them?

    I can respect language purists. Sexists, not so much.
    no im not enraged or want to punch a kitten in the nose. It does seem when the word it is used, others do.


    It is not gender specific.... anything else is being evolved in other peoples therapy.

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