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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    If I do not know what I am talking about, I trust you will correct the errors in my post.
    The problem of your first paragraph is that nothing in de Beauvoir's past alters the validity of her ideas in this area. The problem with your second paragraph is that it's just the sort of false patronage that patriarchy has always used to justify itself. I'll never convince you that you err in prejudice on either score, so why try?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    The word you’re looking for is “one”

    “One should brush ones teeth after every meal”

    If one were to argue that “one” is not used in North American English, I would argue that the words “someone”, “anyone”, and “no one” are very much in use.
    The use of "one" is generally frowned on in North American English. It locks one into using "one" throughout one's entire sentence, for one thing. It also sounds unduly elevated for English users known for their tendency toward informality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    It is not gender specific.... anything else is being evolved in other peoples therapy.
    No, it's obvious to any English user that 'it' is appropriate only to non-human antecedent, and is thus insults any person to whom it is misapplied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    The problem of your first paragraph is that nothing in de Beauvoir's past alters the validity of her ideas in this area. The problem with your second paragraph is that it's just the sort of false patronage that patriarchy has always used to justify itself. I'll never convince you of your errors on either score, so why try?
    Those links are from liberal entities that believe that polluting the English language by forcing it to adapt to the liberal political play-thing of the day is the evolution of language.

    The problem with my second paragraph is that it does not conform with the narrative that the dictionary begets equality.

    I will stick with formal English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Whut? WHUT? WHUT?


    Link, sir?
    I will search for a link, but I believe it is common knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Gals like you need pills

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    yeah... sorry no. I prefer to speak proper English as opposed to...... proper total bullshit make me feel good participate in my therapy pc idiotic speak.

    Proper English changes. Ms is how we describe women now. We don’t need to define her by her marital status. You remind me of those who insist on calling African Americans negroes or colored
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I'm against gender neutrality. I have a gender and so does my wife. It doesn't matter to me if a person addresses us as Mrs. Chief and Mr. Chief. Heck, I'll chuckle if we are addressed as Mrs Chloe and Mr. Chloe and won't be harmed in the least. I think we are inconveniencing 99.9% of people for the marginal benefit of the .1% who would be better off just learning to get over it.

    For the record, I am for empowerment of everyone and against sexism. I believe that men and women are of equal quality, but are not identical. I believe that all should have equal opportunity, but that standards should not be changed to artificially divide up things between the sexes. I am not against equal pay between the sexes, but I think its unclear that sexism drives pay disparity. (Males may pursue raises more aggressively resulting in more pay increases, rather than companies deliberately paying them more than females, as an example) One thing I am very against is knee jerk overcorrections... and this feels like that.

    I saw that in the Navy too... the Navy is seriously looking at removing "man" from rates. So, now it's a problem that a job title is called Yeoman. Let's not forget to get "man" out of woman too, because we wouldn't want the wo to be harmed.

    It's just getting silly.
    You are coming from a different place and that is perhaps why you are indifferent. The English langauge includes you. In our language everything is male unless otherwise stated. An actor is a nongendered word but yet if a woman is acting we called her an actress. I have been introduced as an authoress and found it silly . Again it is saying all authors our male. unless otherwise stated.
    I am enclosing again the piece on language and just about every group I work with, the males said they felt excluded. You’re a smart gal, I bet you can see it.

    Sexism and the Power of Language

    I am going to talk to you about history and life. I am going to make some changes in the language. We have all been taught that the word man means woman as well and we use the word "he" when we mean she as well. I am going to use the word "woman" and "she" generically, meaning it will not apply to a specific gender. I have also included roots of sex roles. See if you can find them.

    The story will start with the beginning of womankind. According to the Bible when God created us She rested after 7 days. She created Eve and Adam and if you believe the Bible we are all their descendants. Throughout the history of woman, there have been debates about where woman originated. Many believe we evolved with a scientific explanation and not from a God. A famous man scientist Darwin, gave us many theories in his attempt to prove this.
    Throughout our history there were many wars. It was awful to see so many innocent men and children killed. But many brave women came to this country to begin a new life with all the freedoms they cherished. Think of the brave pioneers and their husbands crossing mountains and struggling with the grueling living conditions.
    After the War for Independence we created our Constitution that declared all women equal. We were able to worship as we pleased. We could go to a minister of our choice and she would deliver a sermon we were usually eager to hear. Trades were passed down from parent to child. After the child developed her skill she would practice the family trade and pass it on to her daughter and so on and so on.
    Today we have many liberties due to the hard work of our foremothers. There are many occupations open to us such as firewomen, mailwomen, doctors, nurses, and if one is really brave he can be a policewoman. Marine biology is interesting but be aware of those woman eating sharks!!!!
    Well here I am rushing into your future while you are still here at school. I know all the problems you “gals” have. You are so concerned with your looks. Petite and dainty boys prefer to be taller. Boys love to gossip and giggle. Sex becomes an issue and boys must restrain themselves as they don't want to be called sluts and 'ho’ s. A lot of women treat guys unfairly by calling them names, you know, chick, babe, fox etc when they walk down the street. I also think making kissing sounds and commenting on their body parts is not very respectful.
    I know sports are very important to you. Anna Smith tried to play baseball but they said she caught like a boy. In addition, some of the boys got into cat fights and became hysterical so the team was disbanded. It's a pity because at home when they play with their dolls they are sweet and loving. A lot of the girls get into fights too but "girls will be girls"
    One day you will be married and we all know it is the biggest day of a man’s life .He prepares for his wedding day with great enthusiasm, and looks forward to taking his wife’s name.
    Well I wish you all a good life and be aware that language is powerful and is inclusive or exclusive. I hope you will always be sensitive to gender

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Yeah, I recall that. It's still a fabulous discussion of THIS topic, but you are correct. Of so much more, too.



    @Isalexi took umbrage at my use of the phrase "you guys" in another thread. I don't hear it as gendered, anymore than I hear "all y'all" that way, but she does.

    So, this entire thread is her fault.

    ENGLISH teacher, doing that English language thang.

    LOL.

    Hey you’re picking on me you bully. Yes the word “ guys” Has been internalized to mean males and females the same way we have internalized that man include us. The English language really says that everyone is male unless otherwise stated..And it starts very early in children’s books. Why do they describe a nurse or a school teacher as a she? The messages internalize that they are women and there could possibly be a reason why men don’t choose these professions. Why is one who acts an actor but yet if it is a female it becomes an actress. Language is powerful and I feel very strongly about it. Funny story. When my book went into its final draft my publisher said the editor found my language sexist. What I did in my book was interchange pronouns and I even told that to the readers in the beginning but obviously he didn’t read that part. He made many other changes and I Handled it very maturely… I cried. I was very impressed with the publisher who put it back to the way I originally wrote it and this was after I was told they could not make changes anymore because the galleys were done. Men might pound their fists, I had tears

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Funny how you don't seem to give a whit about what men may think...as if like everything else liberal, life is only a one way street.
    I nominate this for the silliest post of the day.

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