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    Proper English Sexism

    The entire point of this book:



    ....is that our English language/American culture reinforces and reflects our prejudices as to the normality and superiority of men. "Actors", "firefighters", "wait staff", etc. etc. etc. are all gender neutral replacements for other words that came into common usage since the 1970's in an effort to correct this prejudice.

    But these nouns do not correct the structural problem: English lacks any gender neutral way to refer to an individual and it lacks a gender neutral honorific.

    "Dear Sir or Madam" is still unsatisfying because the male reference comes first.

    "Ms." is a superior form of address for women, as it avoids the requirement that a woman's marital status must be revealed by the honorific. "Miss" and "Mrs." are archaic, although some people still like to use them.

    So, you brilliant PHers.....how do we replace "you guys"? Neither "all y'all" or "youse" sounds the least bit palatable outside their regional listeners.

    Any ideas?

    This is NOT going to be easy!



    And that before we cope with the way UK people pronounce the letter "z".

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I realize this is not going to save the planet, John. OTOH, you are striking a VERY unattractive pose when you belittle the concerns of women as regards the language used to describe or include them.

    We really resent language that demeans us.

    A lot.



    We expect those men who love and respect women to take note of our concerns, and adapt.

    Does this not include you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Entirely too 'nuanced' for the likes of you and your ILK. Not to mention a flaming lack of historical perspective. Old book, MANY MANY reprints, in many languages as I remember. So what does medication have to do with this subject?

    Or is it just that a SHE wrote it and a 'French she' at that!
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    It seems that a woman cannot become President unless there is a constitutional amendment changing "he" to "ze."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Entirely too 'nuanced' for the likes of your ILK. Not mention a flaming lack of historical perspective. Old book, MANY MANY reprints, in many languages as I remember. So what does medication have to do with this subject?

    Or is just that a SHE wrote it and a 'French she' at that!
    Not to mention, I am fucking fed up with all this belittling we do as to mentally ill people, mental health, etc. We have a few threads on PH bemoaning the suicide of one person or another, yet we persist in casually shaming one another with accusations of mood disorders, "pill popping" etc.

    Time to clean that crappy language up, too, IMO.

    Not that @John T Ford offends as regards mental health issues more than anyone else here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    It seems that a woman cannot become President unless there is a constitutional amendment changing "he" to "ze."
    No, of course not. The masculine form is universal in English.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender
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    Ms. Madeline,

    A man tells his friend that his wife now thinks she's a chicken. The friend says "you should take her to a psychiatrist." The man says "I would, but we need the eggs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    No, of course not. The masculine form is universal in English.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender
    Technically, WOMEN are not in the Constitution though the 14th and the 19th amendments expand their rights, neither clarify, confirm or deny the masculine form as being for WOMEN.

    That's why the ERA is still alive (though on life support or IGNORED or scoffed at).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I realize this is not going to save the planet, John. OTOH, you are striking a VERY unattractive pose when you belittle the concerns of women as regards the language used to describe or include them.

    We really resent language that demeans us.

    A lot.



    We expect those men who love and respect women to take note of our concerns, and adapt.

    Does this not include you?


    Seriously? You're expecting that someone who would choose the white supremacist life would do better in the realm of gender equality or with respect to mental health concerns?

    Seriously?

    Don't stress yourself unless you pride yourself on fighting lost causes.
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