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    The Russians are historically famous for trying to compensate for quality with making thing bigger. No phallic symbolism intended.

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    Sure would be nice to see that Russian tank in the sands of Iraq and Syria! ..against ISIS.......where it could actually do some FUCKING GOOD in the world!

    but of course that won't happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Hell, some programs continue for decades and never produce anything of value while siphoning trillions of dollars away from the taxpayers. .
    For example.

    And given that the bulk of the major military contractors have disappeared since the end of the Cold War, I don't see them exactly getting rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The Panther was the best medium tank of that war.
    Panthers actually... were rather solid. The Tiger.. was powerful but too complex -and so slow-costly to make. It also was hard to maintain. The US Sherman in many ways was a crappy tak but we could mke so MANY..and they were agile and reliable.. so it worked. The T-34 was better and the Soviets made MANY and they did well in the hard winters. Bedides being a bigot...a thug...a douche.. Hitler though he was a GENIUS and failed miserably. Hitler wanted a "wonder weapon" but invested too much in whatever gimmick.. then usually screwed that up. Had Hitler been half as smart as he thought he was..and less an evil ass.. WWII might have lasted 2-3 years longer. Stalin was a ruthless bastard too.. but he DID have some ability to be pragmatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    So, am I the only one wondering just what the outcome between this thing and the Abrams would be?
    The winner would be the first guy that pulls the trigger. The winners would be the helicopter and aircraft pilots. Hellfire missiles always win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    The winner would be the first guy that pulls the trigger. The winners would be the helicopter and aircraft pilots. Hellfire missiles always win.
    Good point. It's proven that Abrams Sabot rounds kill russian tanks.. damn near without fail. T-72's were unable to kill an Abrams. A more evolved T-72? Not scared of it. Hellfires and Mavericks kill tanks. The Warthog's GAU 8 is just freaky. Smart bombs also kill tanks. I doubt we get in a shootout with Russia....so.....our next tank battle may not be against the latest Russian gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    The Russians are historically famous for trying to compensate for quality with making thing bigger. No phallic symbolism intended.
    Mostly... the Russian tendency was to make MASS quantiy and mass production on a cost effective basis. In WWII...Hitler had a fetish for BIG stuff...(phalic? maybe) and much of it failed. They did giant artillery..railway guns that became fat targets once allies had air superiority. Germany TRIED to do a bigger tank than the Tiger..though in ways the Tiger's size was a liability. Meanwhile....an Abrams outweighs a T-72 by about 20 tons. In WWII.. the Russians DID make a heavy tank.. but it was not very important...instead.. they had THHOUSANDS of T-34's.

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    I made parts for this one:



    It was terrible and the DoD canceled the orders after just 50 tanks were produced.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247_Sergeant_York
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'm sick to death with all the military adventurism exhibited by presidents of both parties since the fall of the Soviet Union. I'm of the belief we should trade with folks and not bomb them.

    In regards to our military. I dunno. I believe our military industrial complex exists to use taxpayer monies to provide jobs and enrich corporations more than anything else. Hell, some programs continue for decades and never produce anything of value while siphoning trillions of dollars away from the taxpayers. God knows our military isn't being used to protect the nation from invasion.

    Having said that while our military is great for taking out stone aged goat herders but I have to wonder just how well our forces would do against a modern military. In all fairness the fact we haven't won an actual war since ww2 makes me wonder if we (as a society) are even capable of waging war anymore.
    I would toss out that every war since WWII wasn't lost due to the military but to politics.

    The U.S. military was probably the most excellent fighting force in existence at the beginning of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq but have been neglected over the last 8-10 years. Their equipment is aging and the technological advantage it once held is coming to an end as other nations catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I made parts for this one:
    http://i0.wp.com/www.defensemedianet...7_DIVAD-TN.jpg

    It was terrible and the DoD canceled the orders after just 50 tanks were produced.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247_Sergeant_York
    you did? hah cool!

    Patton chassis mated with twin Bofors.. you'd think by using off the shelf parts that Ford could make a cost-effective self-propelled anti aircraft gun.
    Last edited by Tedminator; 21st August 2015 at 02:19 PM.
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