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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    ..............or a fully functional assault rifle.
    Blame the U.S. firearms lobby for that one. Should've gone with HK or FN a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    [size=3][font=Georgia]F/A-18, the platform F-35 is meant to eventually replace, had a near-flawless development.

    I've only read about a couple of structural issues that were quickly fixed. F-35 has killed people before entering battle, and the wrong guys.

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    Almost every U.S. combat aircraft has done this

    Do you have any idea how man A-10s and F-14s crashed BEFORE the two types ever saw combat?

    IIRC, literally HUNDREDS. The A-10 from crashing into the ground during low level training. The F-14 because of compressor stalls in its TF-30 engines.

    And don't forget the Osprey...........

    Hell, do you have any idea how many B-52s crashed prior to ever seeing combat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Almost every U.S. combat aircraft has done this

    Do you have any idea how man A-10s and F-14s crashed BEFORE the two types ever saw combat?

    IIRC, literally HUNDREDS. The A-10 from crashing into the ground during low level training. The F-14 because of compressor stalls in its TF-30 engines.

    And don't forget the Osprey...........

    Hell, do you have any idea how many B-52s crashed prior to ever seeing combat?
    Didn't know about the A-10's history, that's interesting. F-14 is retired so it's not really relevant.

    Osprey was another colossal, impractical waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Blame the U.S. firearms lobby for that one. Should've gone with HK or FN a long time ago.
    Fn is now making our ar's. I blame our military. It's hidebound. I can only hope our boys and girls never have to face the Russians or Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Didn't know about the A-10's history, that's interesting. F-14 is retired so it's not really relevant.

    Osprey was another colossal, impractical waste.
    Why? In terms of speed and range the Osprey is superior to many of the helicopters it is replacing.

    B-52s for years had staggering problems with the damned vertical tail breaking off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Fn is now making our ar's. I blame our military. It's hidebound. I can only hope our boys and girls never have to face the Russians or Chinese.
    Last I heard (at least among assault rifles), FN only makes the M-4 Carbine and only since 2013. Hardly enough time to judge whether its work is a success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Why? In terms of speed and range the Osprey is superior to many of the helicopters it is replacing.

    B-52s for years had staggering problems with the damned vertical tail breaking off.
    I've heard about that before, but I've also heard that B-52 is stable enough to fly at least for a limited period of time with the tail off.

    Osprey had crashes following complete mechanical failure that killed double-digit figures more than once. That should've ended it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Last I heard (at least among assault rifles), FN only makes the M-4 Carbine and only since 2013. Hardly enough time to judge whether its work is a success.
    It's essentially the same platform our troops have been carrying around for the last half century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    F/A-18, the platform F-35 is meant to eventually replace, had a near-flawless development.

    I've only read about a couple of structural issues that were quickly fixed. F-35 has killed people before entering battle, and the wrong guys.

    The point is not to pursue flawlessness, which would be stupid, but to recognize that we're pouring money into a black hole.

    I don't get your whole deal about special interests owning Congress. In essence, if your point is "we're wasting money on this and many things," yeah... that's what I'm saying.

    We're not talking about what's practical here. None of us has any ability to influence weapons development policy. We're talking about what we SHOULD do.
    The F/A-18 is not going to be replaced by the F-35.

    F-35's are to replace F-15's, F-16's, A-10's, Harriers, and maybe some others, but is supposed to serve WITH F/A-18's.

    F-35's have killed people before entering combat...just like many, many other weapons systems.

    About special interests owning Congress...the truth is that special interests DO own Congress. And they want the money spent where it best serves the special interests. And so Congress does as Congress is told by their corporate masters.

    There is "what we SHOULD do" and then there is what we CAN do. The F-35 will not be stopped, and it is far too soon to say if it will be a success or a failure in the long term.

    Overpriced and wasteful? Yeah probably.

    The word overpriced and wasteful would describe many, many government programs.

    Remember those other seven countries that have helped to fund the F-35 and the three additional countries that have said they will buy it? THAT's how big this program is.

    Are the big Wall Street Banks too big to fail? Shouldn't be, but they are.

    Same thing with the F-35...too big to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I've heard about that before, but I've also heard that B-52 is stable enough to fly at least for a limited period of time with the tail off.

    Osprey had crashes following complete mechanical failure that killed double-digit figures more than once. That should've ended it.
    So have every other large transport helicopter.

    For that matter EVERY major passenger jet has crashed with people killed in THREE DIGIT figures more than once.

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