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    Westerners in foreign wars

    So, I was reading this today: Westerners joining the fight against ISIL are no heroes | Syria | Al Jazeera

    I'll say right away I disagree with most of it. I commend anyone who volunteers to fight ISIS (and the Turkish-backed terrorists too). That writer is clearly an Islamist herself with her own agenda. It is Al Jazeera lol

    Here is a great man, for example: VIDEO: Famous British actor turned foreign fighter entertains kids freed from IS in Kurdish-held Tabqa



    But, that's not the point.

    Today, I was also reading an interview in a Russian newspaper with Erwan Jean François Castel, a 52 year old former French military officer who came to Donbass in 2015 and joined the rebels and been helping them fight Ukraine ever since


    He talked about how Donbass gave him a whole new life; all the amazing people he met; etc. Also, talked much crap about Macron lol He ain't the only Frenchman in there, on the rebel side, and, from what I gather, they are all Le Pen fans hehe

    Here, for example, are another two Frenchmen, Guillaume Lenormand (front) and Mickael Takahashi, former Foreign Legion troops, who also have joined the DNR as mercenaries/volunteers, not sure


    And this guy, identified only as "Sergey", French citizen born to Russian parents in France, also former French military


    And these guys also (at front, funny mustache guy; and the one on very right), French citizens, of Serbian ethnic background, also ex-military


    Also, another interesting detail, he is in the ranks of the DNR unit "Pyatnashka", which is an expeditionary force mainly of my formerly fellow Abkhazians lol

    Lots of Westerners are involved in Donbass.

    Here, for example, back in March, an Italian who works for the rebels as a foreign war correspondent meets with a fellow Italian who fights in a rebel unit


    And this shows two foreigner volunteers, a Finn (on very left) and a Frenchwoman, who joined the separatists to help set up their civil government structures

    They are both DNR citizens, at that point, months ago now, voting in a separatist election. The French lady, who is a professional journalist, is now heavily involved in the separatist media/propaganda apparatus. I dare say these non-combat volunteers have been perhaps even more useful to the seps than those coming to take up arms alongside them...

    Then, there is the unforgettable American volunteer, Russell "Texas" Bentley, about whom I have wrote much before: Melee At CA Trump Rally; Arrests Made

    His story and other fascinating tales of foreign volunteers there can be found here: 'We are preventing a third world war': the foreigners fighting with Ukrainian rebels

    Also: A Serb, a Texan, and a Colombian Walk Into a War…

    Never knew the dude is also a pro-marijuana crusader lmao Wow...

    And by mid-2015, already over 100 German citizens were fighting for the separatists there: More than 100 Germans fighting for separatists in eastern Ukraine | News | DW.COM | 15.03.2015

    More than that there now.

    Most, as that article mentions are Russian emigrants, like this guy, only named by his nom de guerre, "Cross"

    In the video interview from whence that still was taken, he claims he served in Bundeswehr and fought in Afghanistan.

    I'd be remiss not to mention foreigners on the other side. For example, an Austrian who fought for Ukraine (and been in Syria and other places too, before), who was recently arrested by Polish authorities after leaving Ukraine, suspected of war crimes: Fascinated by war - an Austrian in Donbass | Europe | DW.COM | 04.05.2017

    Or this white supremacist sniper who went to Ukraine to join the neo Nazi pro-Kiev Azov militia: Ukraine conflict: 'White power' warrior from Sweden - BBC News

    More about pro-Ukraine foreigners here: Meet the European Fighters Who Have Gone to War in Ukraine

    A former US Army Ranger of Ukrainian background was killed in Donbass in 2014, fighting as a volunteer for Kiev: The Only American Fighting for Ukraine Dies in Battle

    Other than the recent arrest of that Austrian in Poland (is Poland a "Western" country?), no other Western state has really dealt with this yet, with their legal system.

    Spain, back in 2015, arrested a bunch of their citizens who had fought for the separatists in Donbass: Ukraine conflict: Spanish suspects held for 'joining rebels' - BBC News

    But, in the end, I believe all those guys were released, after much public outrage.

    My question is, does anyone know, in the US, Canada, any European countries, are there laws about/against citizens privately (not as part of your country's official military action) joining armed conflicts abroad? Keep in mind, none of the groups fighting in Donbass have been officially designated as "terrorists" or such. Only one who considers the DNR and LNR separatists as terrorists is the government of Ukraine. Even the US and Canada do not.

    Interesting question... Can people just go somewhere and get involved in a war, at own expense and own risk?
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    I once got crucified here for saying some people join the military because they like to fight.

    I stand by that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I once got crucified here for saying some people join the military because they like to fight.

    I stand by that statement.
    True. But, to just go off somewhere, on the other side of the world, to jump into a war that has pretty much nothing to do with you... That takes a very special sort of person...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    True. But, to just go off somewhere, on the other side of the world, to jump into a war that has pretty much nothing to do with you... That takes a very special sort of person...
    Yes it does.

    We call them mercenaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yes it does.

    We call them mercenaries.
    Yup. And for 200 years the word has been an insult.
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    I'm trying to imagine someone joining an army, destroying my town, leaving me without water, food, gas, employment, killing a couple of my loved ones and saying "I've really found myself here. Really I've met so many great people. It's been a great experience".
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    @Dr.Knuckles, actually, for many locals there, on separatist territory, this army is the one defending them, from the Ukrainians who are constantly firing off shells and rockets at towns and villages along the front line.

    Both sides are guilty tough.

    Just on Saturday, for example, four civilians were allegedly killed when separatists shelled a town controlled by Kiev: Four civilians killed in artillery shelling in eastern Ukraine | Reuters



    It's a complex situation there. You have all these neo-Nazis and white supremacists from Sweden or UK fighting for Ukraine, alongside their own Nazis, like Azov; you have Serb Chetniks and Italian fascists and Spanish ANTIfascists among the separatists; and ultra-nationalists from Belarus and Russia itself on BOTH sides: Russian far right is highly divided over this conflict, the strictly Russian nationalists who being in the greatness of Russians as a people and their inherent divine "destiny" to dominate the peoples around them are with Donbass; while the pan-Slavists, who believe in the "brotherhood" of Slavic, Orthodox Christian peoples, including Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Montenegrians, Macedonians, are mostly with Ukraine; brawls have broken out over this at nationalist rallies in Moscow, where the former physically attacked the latter for waving a few Ukrainian flags; while the latter, on one occasion fought with members of the former for bringing Donbass rebel flags to the rally; it's actually perfect for Putin, the far right is the only large and militant force that could ever overthrow him, now he got them divided, at each other's throats, the pro-Donbass ones now fanatically backing the Kremlin...

    Then, you have some fighters from Colombia also present among the separatists.

    Most famous of them is one that goes by Alfonso Cano




    Dude is allegedly former FARC, in fact, his nom du guerre is in honor of a FARC leader: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_Cano

    He has established himself well in Donbass, gained respect of the locals as a fighter, even was awarded medals

    married Katya, a local girl



    Few months ago, the separatist Twitter page announced the birth of their son



    He also speaks pretty fluent Russian, enough so, that he is able to come give propaganda talks at local schools

    lol

    Well, some say, the Colombians are there not only as simply volunteers; but, possibly, at least some of them - representatives of a powerful drug cartel, which uses the Donbass as a relatively lawless zone, in which to bring in and store their cocaine, which they then pass over to their Russian mafia contacts to be distributed on the Russian market...

    All sorts of very shady shit going on over there...

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    War gives their pointless life a meaning. A true brotherhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousou View Post
    War gives their pointless life a meaning. A true brotherhood.
    Yeah, well... Probably plenty of people who go to Syria to join ISIS would say similar things...

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