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    Why don't we just buy a shit-load of AK-47's from our new pal Putin?
    The M-14 I was issued by the Marines in 1968 was a 7.62mm round and it worked just fine.
    A 308 Win. can ruin someone's day and at a good distance. I love this caliber. Years ago I owned a Swiss Military rifle in 7.555mm Schmidt–Rubin. It actually shot a .306 diameter bullet and was easy to reload for using .308 diameter bullets. It is a straight pull bolt action with a 30.7" barrel. I wish I still had that rifle. I could shoot 100 yard groups open-sites and cover my shots with a silver dollar. Of course back then I could actually see 100 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Why don't we just buy a shit-load of AK-47's from our new pal Putin?
    The M-14 I was issued by the Marines in 1968 was a 7.62mm round and it worked just fine.
    Choosing caliber also brings up the issue of weight and size. 7.62 X 51 saved both over the 30-06. 5.56 saved a lot over the 7.62x51. I guess the military wants more terminal performance at longer distance.
    Lots of good calibers between .223 and .30. Will they design a new cartridge to go with a new weapon or existing cartridge with new weapon? 6.8 SPC already exists. .277 caliber in a small package. Though it is a non NATO caliber.
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    US Army Considers Adopting an Interim Battle Rifle in 7.62 NATO - Soldier Systems Daily

    It’s important to establish right up front that 7.62mm is not the Army’s end goal. The “Interim” component of this capability’s name relies on a plan to eventually adopt one of the 6.5mm family of intermediate calibers. Currently, elements of the Army are evaluating .260, .264 USA and .277 USA. The .260 is commercially available while .264 USA and .277 USA are developments of the Army Marksmanship Unit. Unfortunately, the US Army doesn’t plan to conduct an intermediate caliber study until the early 2020s. That’s why they want to adopt 7.62mm now. The idea is to adopt the Battle Rifle to deal with a newly identified threat with what’s available now, and transition the fleet to an intermediate caliber cartridge, once its selected. Additionally, the transition to this proposed intermediate caliber cartridge is possible from a 7.62 platform. Such a transition is all-but-impossible with the current 5.56 receiver sets.

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    Why 6.5 or 6 mm dominate the .308 Winchester? - Long Range Lectures https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ3OosLWCDU

    Velocity and BC matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Choosing caliber also brings up the issue of weight and size. 7.62 X 51 saved both over the 30-06. 5.56 saved a lot over the 7.62x51. I guess the military wants more terminal performance at longer distance.
    Lots of good calibers between .223 and .30. Will they design a new cartridge to go with a new weapon or existing cartridge with new weapon? 6.8 SPC already exists. .277 caliber in a small package. Though it is a non NATO caliber.
    I always had my best luck with the old (but reliable) 6.5 x 55 round. maybe they will come up with a 6.5 x 45 round and get the best of both worlds. but, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    I always had my best luck with the old (but reliable) 6.5 x 55 round. maybe they will come up with a 6.5 x 45 round and get the best of both worlds. but, who knows.
    I had one of those old surplus 6.5 x 55 M96 rifles. Made in 1917 Very accurate. 6.5mm would be an excellent battle caliber. As article in #23 mentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    I had one of those old surplus 6.5 x 55 M96 rifles. Made in 1917 Very accurate. 6.5mm would be an excellent battle caliber. As article in #23 mentions.
    yeah - same here (mine was 1915). shoots nickel size groups at 100 meters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    yeah - same here (mine was 1915). shoots nickel size groups at 100 meters.
    If shooting stock sights , you must have good eyes. Gallon jugs at 300 yards was easy enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Those green silhouettes with trees and brush in the background at 350 meters were barely visible, like I said, our 250 shooters barely scratched them. This was in 1964, I have no idea why the Marines kept using the old WWII style firing ranges for years afterward.
    Army almost always gets new equipment before the Marines do.
    Pretty much anything is hard to see at 500 yards.

    Did you guys just have to hit the silhouette to get points on your score? I mean did hitting the target dead between the eyes or the center of where the chest count more than just putting a hole in the target, let's say where the shoulder would be? Or did you get X number of points for just hitting the target and your score was based on hitting so many targets in a specified time period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    A 308 Win. can ruin someone's day and at a good distance. I love this caliber. Years ago I owned a Swiss Military rifle in 7.555mm Schmidt–Rubin. It actually shot a .306 diameter bullet and was easy to reload for using .308 diameter bullets. It is a straight pull bolt action with a 30.7" barrel. I wish I still had that rifle. I could shoot 100 yard groups open-sites and cover my shots with a silver dollar. Of course back then I could actually see 100 yards.
    LOL...there are a number of things I can't do at age 67 that I could easily do at age 18. Today I couldn't hit a school bus at 500 yards w/o a good scope!
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