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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    If shooting stock sights , you must have good eyes. Gallon jugs at 300 yards was easy enough.
    used the stock sights from a bench. reloaded my own ammo, too.

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    LOL...there are a number of things I can't do at age 67 that I could easily do at age 18. Today I couldn't hit a school bus at 500 yards w/o a good scope!
    such a shame they got rid of the old .45ACP pistols - I found them easy to shoot and great knockdown power. but, time moves on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    used the stock sights from a bench. reloaded my own ammo, too.
    Surprising how such old guns and calibers still get the job done. I shoot a 7x57 Mauser another pre 1900 round. Old stuff like 30-06, .38 special, .45 acp , 45-70 still going strong.

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    I'm with you on that. The M-14 was nothing short of a sniper rifle for the masses. Fantastic accuracy. But it was a heavy SOB for us Grunts to shlep around. The M-16 on the other hand was not as accurate but at the range most used in combat, was a very effective weapon. Light weight and easy to clean. We heard back then about how there were lots of jamming issues but I never experienced that. If kept clean, it was a reliable workhorse. And, the way it caused the projectile to tumble, it would inflict maximum damage. Now, if what's being proposed is a lightweight 7.62 or thereabouts, that would be a real winner. One thing that can't be easily overcome is that accuracy depends in large part on barrel length. I hope that can be dealt with. Can't wait to see it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    An M-14 was.is not much more than an M-1 with a 20 round external magazine instead of an 8 round internal clip.
    You could leave the M-14 magazine in position and load it with stripper clips just like the M-1. But, as you mention, "M-1 thumb."

    I LOVED the M-14.
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    At Parris Island in 68 we used circular targets at all ranges except at 500 yards. There we used what were called D series or dog targets. Bust size. Width 20 inches. I remember during Snapping In how impossible it seemed to hit at that 500 range but on Q-day it was second nature. I shot 224 on Q-day and later I shot 236. On practice day, two days before q-day, I shot 209 and was very worried. But that day was gusting winds and Q day was calm. When I was in ITR at LeJeune, we were charged with getting rid of old ammo and so we got to fire thousands of rounds daily with -14. It was a blast. Our Victor 4 Company's barracks were right next to the rifle range and we lucked out. I do believe it helped us all quite a bit in VN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    LOL...there are a number of things I can't do at age 67 that I could easily do at age 18. Today I couldn't hit a school bus at 500 yards w/o a good scope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Army almost always gets new equipment before the Marines do.
    Pretty much anything is hard to see at 500 yards.

    Did you guys just have to hit the silhouette to get points on your score? I mean did hitting the target dead between the eyes or the center of where the chest count more than just putting a hole in the target, let's say where the shoulder would be? Or did you get X number of points for just hitting the target and your score was based on hitting so many targets in a specified time period?
    The targets would drop if you hit them, any hit was scored the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    such a shame they got rid of the old .45ACP pistols - I found them easy to shoot and great knockdown power. but, time moves on.
    True, but the old .45's had a 7 round magazine and the 9mm Beretta had like a 16 or 17 round magazine. Both pistols had their positives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Surprising how such old guns and calibers still get the job done. I shoot a 7x57 Mauser another pre 1900 round. Old stuff like 30-06, .38 special, .45 acp , 45-70 still going strong.
    Very true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by namvet69 View Post
    At Parris Island in 68 we used circular targets at all ranges except at 500 yards. There we used what were called D series or dog targets. Bust size. Width 20 inches. I remember during Snapping In how impossible it seemed to hit at that 500 range but on Q-day it was second nature. I shot 224 on Q-day and later I shot 236. On practice day, two days before q-day, I shot 209 and was very worried. But that day was gusting winds and Q day was calm. When I was in ITR at LeJeune, we were charged with getting rid of old ammo and so we got to fire thousands of rounds daily with -14. It was a blast. Our Victor 4 Company's barracks were right next to the rifle range and we lucked out. I do believe it helped us all quite a bit in VN.
    Man, hard to believe at times that was damn near 50 years ago for me.
    I had the opposite problem, shot well on practice day but on Q-day the wind picked up and threw me off. I still remember that I missed the Sharpshooters badge by either 2 or 3 points and ended up with that ugly-ass, "toilet seat"Marksman badge.
    Fifty fucking years and that STILL pisses me off. Fucking southern California wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The targets would drop if you hit them, any hit was scored the same.
    Ok, totally different scoring system for us.

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