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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    The Allied leaders should have supported Vietnam's Declaration of Independence that was presented to the world on 9/2/1945..


    Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam

    "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

    This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.

    The Declaration of the French Revolution made in 1791 on the Rights of Man and the Citizen also states: “All men are born free and with equal rights, and must always remain free and have equal rights.”

    Those are undeniable truths.



    Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice.

    -In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty.

    -They have enforced inhuman laws; they have set up three distinct political regimes in the North, the Center and the South of Vietnam in order to wreck our national unity and prevent our people from being united.

    -They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots; they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood.

    -They have fettered public opinion; they have practiced obscurantism against our people. To weaken our race they have forced us to use opium and alcohol.

    -In the field of economics, they have fleeced us to the backbone, impoverished our people, and devastated our land.

    -They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials.

    -They have monopolized the issuing of bank-notes and the export trade.

    -They have invented numerous unjustifiable taxes and reduced our people, especially our peasantry, to a state of extreme poverty.

    -They have hampered the prospering of our national bourgeoisie; they have mercilessly exploited our workers.




    In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina’s territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them.

    Thus, from that date, our people were subjected to the double yoke of the French and the Japanese. Their sufferings and miseries increased. The result was that from the end of last year to the beginning of this year, from Quang Tri province to the North of Vietnam, more than two million of our fellow-citizens died from starvation. On March 9, the French troops were disarmed by the Japanese. The French colonialists either fled or surrendered showing that not only were they incapable of “protecting” us, but that, in the span of five years, they had twice sold our country to the Japanese.

    On several occasions before March 9, the Vietminh League urged the French to ally themselves with it against the Japanese. Instead of agreeing to this proposal, the French colonialists so intensified their terrorist activities against the Vietminh members that before fleeing they massacred a great number of our political prisoners detained at Yen Bay and Caobang.

    Notwithstanding all this, our fellow-citizens have always manifested toward the French a tolerant and humane attitude. Even after the Japanese putsch of March 1945, the Vietminh League helped many Frenchmen to cross the frontier, rescued some of them from Japanese jails, and protected French lives and property.

    From the autumn of 1940, our country had in fact ceased to be a French colony and had become a Japanese possession. After the Japanese had surrendered to the Allies, our whole people rose to regain our national sovereignty and to found the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.




    The truth is that we have wrested our independence from the Japanese and not from the French.

    The French have fled, the Japanese have capitulated, Emperor Bao Dai has abdicated. Our people have broken the chains which for nearly a century have fettered them and have won independence for the Fatherland. Our people at the same time have overthrown the monarchic regime that has reigned supreme for dozens of centuries. In its place has been established the present Democratic Republic.

    For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government, representing the whole Vietnamese people, declare that from now on we break off all relations of a colonial character with France; we repeal all the international obligation that France has so far subscribed to on behalf of Vietnam and we abolish all the special rights the French have unlawfully acquired in our Fatherland.

    The whole Vietnamese people, animated by a common purpose, are determined to fight to the bitter end against any attempt by the French colonialists to reconquer their country.

    We are convinced that the Allied nations which at Tehran and San Francisco have acknowledged the principles of self-determination and equality of nations, will not refuse to acknowledge the independence of Vietnam.

    A people who have courageously opposed French domination for more than eight years, a people who have fought side by side with the Allies against the Fascists during these last years, such a people must be free and independent.

    For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country—and in fact is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty.

    ..end.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procla...lic_of_Vietnam


    Trivia time! That declaration was written with the help of OSS agents (OSS is the predecessor of the CIA).

    Yes, we should have supported the Vietnamese and respected their declaration of Independence.
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    There was a long history of the French selling Opium in Indochina. On the eve of WW2, the Opium tax accounted for 15% of total tax revenue. There were 2,500 legal opium dens in Indochina, and in fact, the Vietnamese nationalists attacked the Opium business as the ultimate example of French exploitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
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    There was a long history of the French selling Opium in Indochina. On the eve of WW2, the Opium tax accounted for 15% of total tax revenue. There were 2,500 legal opium dens in Indochina, and in fact, the Vietnamese nationalists attacked the Opium business as the ultimate example of French exploitation.
    So WHAT? If only we could turn the clock back and accept that people like to get high!

    These day we buy our opium to feed the ENORMOUS new demand OxyCotin created from the very Arab nations MOST suspected of funding terrorism.

    And we only ever outlawed marijuana because the US wanted brown people to feel second-class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    So WHAT? If only we could turn the clock back and accept that people like to get high!

    These day we buy our opium to feed the ENORMOUS new demand OxyCotin created from the very Arab nations MOST suspected of funding terrorism.

    And we only ever outlawed marijuana because the US wanted brown people to feel second-class.
    We also need to accept the fact that taxpayers are covering the cost of US marines and Blackwater contractors to protect the CIA multibillion dollar profits from the Afghan poppy fields -- yet a marine's grandma was arrested for a dirty pee while trying to get some pain relief from her rheumatoid arthritis.

    I'll trade ya some of mine for some of yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    We also need to accept the fact that taxpayers are covering the cost of US marines and Blackwater contractors to protect the CIA multibillion dollar profits from the Afghan poppy fields -- yet a marine's grandma was arrested for a dirty pee while trying to get some pain relief from her rheumatoid arthritis.

    I'll trade ya some of mine for some of yours.
    The overlords are not good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The overlords are not good guys.
    Same as it ever was, and that is why history tells us where all this warfare is headed. The fall of the Roman empire is being acted out in real time while you and me have front row seats.
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    Because we made that war so costly for the communists we were able to prevent them from steamrolling through Asia. Many nations, as far as India were starting to succumb to communism so we chose Vietnam to halt them. The fact we lost isn't what's important, its the fact that we were willing to fight them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Because we made that war so costly for the communists we were able to prevent them from steamrolling through Asia. Many nations, as far as India were starting to succumb to communism so we chose Vietnam to halt them. The fact we lost isn't what's important, its the fact that we were willing to fight them.
    Vietnam wouldn't have turned to the USSR for help if the USA had supported their independence back in 1945.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Yes, we should have supported the Vietnamese and respected their declaration of Independence.
    So anyhooo after all those horrible deadly mistakes made during the previous century, the USA and Vietnam seems to be working towards becoming BFFs this century..


    U.S. Transfers High-Endurance Cutter to Vietnam Coast Guard SEAPOWER Magazine Online May 26, 2017

    HONOLULU — The U.S. Coast Guard transferred a high-endurance cutter to the Vietnam Coast Guard during a ceremony in Honolulu on May 25, the service said in a release. The ex-USCGC Morgenthau (WHEC 722), which will be renamed CSB 8020, is expected to improve the Vietnam Coast Guard’s maritime domain awareness, increase its capacity to perform maritime law enforcement operations, and conduct search and rescue and other humanitarian response operations.

    “This cutter provides a concrete and significant symbol of the U.S-Vietnam Comprehensive Partnership," said U.S. Coast Guard Rear Adm. Michael J. Haycock, assistant commandant for Acquisition and chief acquisition officer. “The Coast Guard is honored to see this vessel continue to preserve global peace and prosperity as a part of the Vietnam Coast Guard.” The CSB 8020 was transferred to Vietnam from the U.S. government through the Excess Defense Articles program, which offers excess military equipment to U.S. partner and allied countries in support of their military and security modernization efforts.







    The USA also gave the Vietnamese Coast Guard six of these patrol boats pictured below. Vietnam also received 8 used 1,500-ton ships from Japan for free last year and is awaiting delivery of 6 more 3,000-ton ships from India, plus Vietnam is building several 300-ft, 2,000-ton vessels on their own. Vietnam is building up fast to counter China's action in the South China Sea.


    In this photo released by the U.S. Embassy in Hanoi, U.S. Ambassador Ted Osius, second from left, sits with Vietnam Coast Guard members during a delivery ceremony of patrol boats, Monday, May 22, 2017, in Quang Nam, central Vietnam. The United States has delivered six coastal patrol boats to Vietnam's coast guard in a move that expands the two nation's security cooperation amid tension in the disputed South China Sea.
    Read more here: U.S delivers 6 coastal patrol boats to Vietnam coast guard | McClatchy Washington Bureau
    Last edited by Tedminator; 29th May 2017 at 06:57 PM.
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    Turns out, the Comnunists were some great guys (Castro) and some evil fucks (Stalin).

    Just like Democratically elected Christian POTUS's!

    Who knew?

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