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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Size matters?
    It doesn't, in war, not always, that's the thing. The Germans, for example, had way larger and seemingly more powerful tanks than Red Army. But Soviet Union simply made way more T-34s and such, than Germany made Panzers. And overwhelmed them with those sheer numbers, at Kursk, for example
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    It doesn't, in war, not always, that's the thing. The Germans, for example, had way larger and seemingly more powerful tanks than Red Army. But Soviet Union simply made way more T-34s and such, than Germany made Panzers. And overwhelmed them with those sheer numbers, at Kursk, for example
    Good point.

    America designed the Sherman tank based on the size of the ships that would carry them and they were severely outmatched in Europe.

    These design decisions just seem stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Why do you liberals have to troll a perfectly good thread?
    LOL @ "perfectly"

    Good one, Spooky... good one.

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    The Iowa class was no slouch in it's performance. Yamato and it's sister ship achieved virtually nothing except going to the bottom.

    Successor to Iowa class: cancelled.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana-class_battleship

    Displacement:
    • 65,000 long tons (66,040 t) (standard);[1]
    • 70,965 long tons (72,104 t) (full load)[2][3][4][5]
    Length:
    • 921 ft 3 in (280.80 m)[2] oa
    • 890 ft 0 in (271.27 m)[2] pp
    Beam:
    121 ft 2 in (36.93 m)[2]
    Draft: 36 ft 1 in (11.00 m)[2]
    Propulsion: 8 Babcock & Wilcox 2-drum express type boilers powering 4 sets of Westinghouse geared steam turbines 4 43,000 hp (32 MW)[2] – 172,000 shp (128 MW) total power
    Speed: 28 kn (32 mph; 52 km/h) maximum[2][6]
    Range: 15,000 nmi (17,000 mi; 28,000 km) at 15 kn (17 mph; 28 km/h)[1]
    Complement:
    • Standard: 2,355[2]
    • Flagship: 2,789[2]
    Armament:
    Armor:
    • Side belt: 16.1 inches (409 mm) tapering to 10.2 inches (259 mm) on 1-inch (25 mm) STS plate inclined 19
    • Lower side belt: 7.2 inches (183 mm) tapered to 1 inch (25 mm) inclined 10[1]
    • Bulkheads: 18 inches (457 mm) forward, 15.25 inches (387 mm) aft[1]
    • Barbettes: 21.3 inches (541 mm), 18 inches (457 mm) (aft)[1]
    • Turrets: Face 22.5 inches (572 mm), Roof 9.15 inches (232 mm)
    • Decks:
    • main 0.75 inches (19 mm) + 1.5 inches (38 mm)
    • second 5.8 inches (147 mm) + 1.25 inches (32 mm)
    Aircraft carried: 3–4 Vought OS2U Kingfisher/Curtiss SC Seahawk floatplanes
    Aviation facilities: 2 aft catapults for launch of seaplanes[3]
    Notes: This was the last battleship class designed for the United States Navy; the class was cancelled before any of the ships' keels were laid.
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    Yamato and Bismarck were sunk on their first voyages. Not by another warship, but by aircraft. Thus ended the era of dreadnoughts and battleships as viable naval assets. The age of the great sea battles came to an end.

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    Does anyone get it this yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Good point.

    America designed the Sherman tank based on the size of the ships that would carry them and they were severely outmatched in Europe.

    These design decisions just seem stupid.
    I agree. The Sherman was far inferior to German armor. Except for the firefly, which mounted a heavier gun capable of disabling a German Tiger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne View Post
    Yamato and Bismarck were sunk on their first voyages. Not by another warship, but by aircraft. Thus ended the era of dreadnoughts and battleships as viable naval assets. The age of the great sea battles came to an end.

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    Washington gunned down a Japanese battleship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Washington gunned down a Japanese battleship.
    Actually it was classed a Battlecruiser, a little lighter than a Battleship. It went down off Guadalcanal in one of only two Battleship vs Battleship battles during the Pacific war.

    Kirishima (霧島?) was a warship of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War I and World War II. Designed by British naval engineer George Thurston, she was the third launched of the four Kongō-class battlecruisers
    On the night of 14/15 November, in one of only two battleship duels of the Pacific War, Kirishima heavily damaged USS*South Dakota before being crippled in turn by the battleship USS*Washington. Kirishima capsized and sank in the early morning on 15 November 1942 in Ironbottom Sound
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    Incidentally, the Iowa Class would have blown the Yamato away in a surface duel, radar controlled firing solutions beat eyeball every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Actually it was classed a Battlecruiser, a little lighter than a Battleship. It went down off Guadalcanal in one of only two Battleship vs Battleship battles during the Pacific war.



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    Incidentally, the Iowa Class would have blown the Yamato away in a surface duel, radar controlled firing solutions beat eyeball every time.
    It was a night engagement that the Washington shot up the Kirishima. Thanks to radar.

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