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    i don't get it this

    America in WWII built our battleships based on if they could fit through the Panama Canal.

    This means that the Japanese could build bigger ones then us.

    Our Iowa class ships were thereby limited to their size and thus their armaments.



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    So I get that they needed to use the Canal for a shortcut but why couldn't they just build a bigger one and sail it around South America?

    What does it take, like a week extra or something?

    Hell, with all the time it took to build the ship what's an extra week to compete with what Japan was building?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    America in WWII built our battleships based on if they could fit through the Panama Canal.

    This means that the Japanese could build bigger ones then us.

    Our Iowa class ships were thereby limited to their size and thus their armaments.

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    So I get that they needed to use the Canal for a shortcut but why couldn't they just build a bigger one and sail it around South America?

    What does it take, like a week extra or something?

    Hell, with all the time it took to build the ship what's an extra week to compete with what Japan was building?
    Not sure about time, but a quick search tells me by using the Panama Canal, ships save 7,872 miles by bypassing the trip around South America.
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    It appears that that didn't hurt the ultimate result. Even by WWII the aircraft carrier was the important navy weapon and the large battleships were mostly a good target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    America in WWII built our battleships based on if they could fit through the Panama Canal.

    This means that the Japanese could build bigger ones then us.

    Our Iowa class ships were thereby limited to their size and thus their armaments.



    Compared to:



    So I get that they needed to use the Canal for a shortcut but why couldn't they just build a bigger one and sail it around South America?

    What does it take, like a week extra or something?

    Hell, with all the time it took to build the ship what's an extra week to compete with what Japan was building?
    Didn't they expand the canal and finish it not too long ago? To accommodate those wider barges or container ships? Does that mean more capacity for military craft? Seems like it would.

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    Found this...

    26 June 2016
    The expanded canal began commercial operation on 26 June 2016. The first ship to cross the canal using the third set of locks was a modern New Panamax vessel, the Chinese-owned container ship "Cosco Shipping Panama."
    Panama Canal expansion project - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama...ansion_project

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    It appears that that didn't hurt the ultimate result. Even by WWII the aircraft carrier was the important navy weapon and the large battleships were mostly a good target.
    I get that but back then they didn't know that.

    We were looking at going up against things like the Bismarck and Yamamoto.

    Unless they planned on going back and forth to the East Coast it is a bit confusing why they would design ships this way.

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    I don't get it this either.
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    Here are the dimension comparisons.

    Iowa class:

    Displacement:
    45,000 long tons (46,000*t) (Standard)
    52,000 long tons (53,000*t) (mean war service)
    57,000 long tons (58,000*t) (pre 1980s full load)
    58,000 long tons (59,000*t) (post 1980s full load)
    Length:
    861.25*ft (262.51*m) pp
    887*ft (270*m) oa
    Beam:
    108*ft (33*m)
    Draft:
    36*ft (11*m) maximum

    Armament:
    World War II, Korea:
    9 16-inch (406*mm)/50 cal. Mark 7 guns
    20 5-inch (127*mm)/38*cal. Mark 12 guns
    80 40*mm (1.57*in)/56*cal. Bofors guns
    49 20*mm (0.79*in)/70*cal. Oerlikon cannons
    Cold War, Gulf War additions:
    32 BGM-109 Tomahawk
    16 RGM-84 Harpoon
    4 20*mm (.78*inch).Phalanx CIWS

    Yamamoto:

    Class and type:
    Yamato-class battleship
    Displacement:
    65,027*t (64,000 long tons)
    71,659*t (70,527 long tons) (full load)
    Length:
    256*m (839*ft 11*in) (waterline)
    263*m (862*ft 10*in) (overall)
    Beam:
    38.9*m (127*ft 7*in)
    Draft:
    11*m (36*ft 1*in)
    Installed power:
    12 Kampon boilers
    150,000*shp (110,000*kW)
    Propulsion:
    4 shafts; 4 steam turbines
    Speed:
    27 knots (50*km/h; 31*mph)
    Range:
    7,200*nmi (13,300*km; 8,300*mi) at 16 knots (30*km/h; 18*mph)

    Armament:
    (1941)
    9 46*cm Type 94 guns (3x3)
    12 15.5*cm 3rd Year Type guns (4x3)
    12 127*mm Type 89 (6x2)
    24 25*mm Type 96 AA guns (8x3)
    4 13.2*mm Type 93 (2x2)
    (1945)
    9 46*cm Type 94 guns (3x3)
    6 15.5*cm 3rd Year Type guns (2x3)
    24 127*mm Type 89 (12x2)
    162 25*mm Type 96 AA guns
    4 13.2*mm Type 93 (2x2)

    You can see the big difference between these two classes of ships.

    One on one the American ships would have been at a disadvantage

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    I don't get it this either.
    Size matters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Size matters?
    Why do you liberals have to troll a perfectly good thread?

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