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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Just something silly I am arguing about with someone right now:

    Take the combined British, French, Spanish, and etc, Portuguese, Dutch, whoever else had good ships back then, their whole, combined sail warship armadas from the Napoleon Wars era, from early 19th century



    So, hundreds of these sailing frigates and such, wooden ships, with their fuse cannons and whatnot.

    V.S.

    One big ass, bad ass WWII battleship, lets say the Bismarck




    a metal monster, with all its massive armaments; plus the handheld rifles and machine-guns of the crew


    Who wins?

    My own bet: one broad salvo from battleship

    would probably wipe out at least a third, of not half, of the sail ship, those not blown to bits would get overturned and scuttled by the concussion wave; and then - simply fucking ram the rest of 'em. Wooden ships against an armored steel hull, forget about it...

    No chance, game over.

    But, this buddy of mine thinks, still, that with enough sail ships and their cannons, he still could use overall numbers and some kind of strategy, to pull out a win here, to stop the battleship...

    What do you all think?
    The battle ship just stays out of range. The secondary batteries of the battleship would lay waste to all. Heavy caliber antiaircraft guns would cut the wooden ships to pieces.
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    What's the range of a cannonball? Not far all it could ever hope to do is break fragile parts of the ship, fire control, ranging equipment. The battleship would have to stay back some distance just so it's guns can be pointed that low. Would the 15" guns using HE rounds even explode on a wooden ship or would they just pass on through?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Then that would be unrealistic and make the game silly.
    How about we set a parameter that the sailing ships could fly?

    See what I mean.
    actually, it would make the situation as evenly matched as possible in the early 19th century. smokeless powder was not invented. the diesel engines also. even cartridge ammo was years away. if neither side was allowed to re-provision, then leaving the field of battle would be considered a defeat for that ship.
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    A. It is a WWII battleship. I used the Bismarck as a famous example. It can be the USS Missouri too, or Yamato, or whatever else you guys want. Point is, 1940s tech only, no GPS and such, no modern missiles, etc.

    B. No resupply for either side.

    C. Someone mentioned boarding. That would be an interesting point of its own. Flintlock pistols, muskets, and cutlasses, up against level rifles with bayonets, submachine guns, and WWII German pistols like Luger, if we are on board the Bismarck. And machine guns. I can guess how that would go lol But, you can make own determinations

    D. Obviously the early cannons had way less range than WWII artillery. In my scenario, lets say the whole 19th century armada is lined up to defend Europe, and the battleship is sailing towards it, coming ever closer

    E. And the battleship artillery would, likely, penetrate the wooden ships and fly right through. But they'll probably do lots of structural damage in process, and maybe set off their gunpowder and such

    Anyhow, I agree with those who say the battleship wins. It can just fucking plow through all the wooden ships, without even using its artillery, for God's sake...
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    The battleship would only have to sink a few, the rest would flee as fast as they could unless one of the parameters is that the wooden ship commander is a fucking idiot with a death wish....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The battleship would only have to sink a few, the rest would flee as fast as they could unless one of the parameters is that the wooden ship commander is a fucking idiot with a death wish....
    They probably said the same thing to the 'fucking idiots' that attacked Bismarck in wooden planes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    The battleship would only have to sink a few, the rest would flee as fast as they could unless one of the parameters is that the wooden ship commander is a fucking idiot with a death wish....
    Sure, yes, let's make everyone on those ships suicidal maniacs.

    Kind of like those Romans marching into the WWII Marines' bullets:


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    This series of books postulates a WWII destroyer goes to an alternate reality and has to fight wooden ships. Fun read....




    Into the Storm: Destroyermen, Book I

    Available on kindle at Amazon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    They probably said the same thing to the 'fucking idiots' that attacked Bismarck in wooden planes...
    The slight difference is that a torpedo actually could damage the battleship and a solid shot cannonball could not. Plus a 200 mile an hour flying target is more difficult to defend against than a 5 mile an hour sailboat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    What's the range of a cannonball? Not far all it could ever hope to do is break fragile parts of the ship, fire control, ranging equipment. The battleship would have to stay back some distance just so it's guns can be pointed that low. Would the 15" guns using HE rounds even explode on a wooden ship or would they just pass on through?
    That was a point I brought up earlier.

    If the wooden ship can trigger the explosive I think the shell might be through the ship before it detonates.

    Wood has no stopping power against something like that.

    We may just end up with a bunch of ships with holes in them.
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