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    I've no military background except my many victories at Risk. To wage a war, in my amateur mind, you'd need sea based missiles to destroy anti-aircraft defenses, and a navy to protect what's firing them. Special Forces on the ground. Air and/or sea transport for tens of thousands of troops, quickly. Then an Air Force to support them. Satellites for finding the bad guys, and Comms to communicate.

    I feel like they could do it with the UK. But not without. Satellites and transport - that's huge.
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    Or am I underestimating France?

    They did put down an Islamic revolution in Ivory Coast. With local soldiers, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    Or am I underestimating France?

    They did put down an Islamic revolution in Ivory Coast. With local soldiers, though.
    Depends on what type of military action you are talking about.

    Say that China pulls a Japan circa 1942 and America stays out of it.

    It will take the allied powers a very long time to gear up not only to kick out the Chinese but just to get enough forces over there to attempt it.

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    And it's impossible to underestimate France, they have the absolute worse military record of any industrial nation since Napoleon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And it's impossible to underestimate France, they have the absolute worse military record of any industrial nation since Napoleon.
    Links please - and if you are going to bad mouth the nation which brought your own into existence, at least do that with a grammatically correct statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Links please - and if you are going to bad mouth the nation which brought your own into existence, at least do that with a grammatically correct statement.
    –*Gallic Wars
    – Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

    –*Hundred Years War
    – Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; “France’s armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman.” Sainted. (Joan of Arc)

    –*Italian Wars
    – Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. (yup, that is real. *Remember Italy had a hurting put on it by Greece in WWII, Greece people!)

    –*Wars of Religion
    – France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots (and they still left France, mostly)

    –*Thirty Years War
    – France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

    –*War of Revolution
    – Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

    –*The Dutch War
    – Tied

    –*War of the Augsburg League/King William’s War/French and Indian War
    – Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles (i.e your average liberal college history Prof)*the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

    –*War of the Spanish Succession
    – Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

    –*American Revolution
    – In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as “de Gaulle Syndrome”, and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; “France only wins when America does most of the fighting.”

    –*French Revolution
    – Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

    –*The Napoleonic Wars
    – Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

    –*The Franco-Prussian War
    – Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France’s ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

    –*World War I
    – Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it’s like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn’t call her “Fraulein.” Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

    –*World War II
    – Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

    –*War in Indochina
    – Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu (of course they teach effective methods of torture to the Indochinese, which will be used to great effect on Americans)

    –*Algerian Rebellion
    – Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; “We can always beat the French.” This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux. (but not Mexicans!)


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    Conveniently left out Napoleon and the Napoleonic Wars. Napoleon considered by many historians as the Greatest General that ever lived and in the top four or five by all the rest. And ignoring the fact that France fought Germany to a standstill with half the population and sacrificed an entire generation of young Frenchman to hold the Germans in World War One. Their loss in WWII was not the fault of the French soldiers, it was the fault of the flawed strategy of the French High Command. The Free French fought and died in North Africa, Italy and Normandy...along side Americans and British. Hatred of the French seems to be a right wing fringe extremist popsicle for them to lick on as they tally their hate and despise lists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    My problem with that site has always been that they calculate their numbers too much based on sheer quantity, of troops and hardware; and do not account enough for quality. For example, they put one country, say Turkey, ahead of another country, like Germany, because it simply has MORE troops and tanks and helicopters and whatever. Even though German troops are better armed and trained and more professional; and German tanks and helicopters are more modern and advanced and better in general.

    Their numbers are simply flawed this way.
    If that's true how come Russia is number 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    My problem with that site has always been that they calculate their numbers too much based on sheer quantity, of troops and hardware; and do not account enough for quality.
    "Quantity has a quality all it's own."
    Joseph Stalin
    Last edited by Devil505; 14th July 2017 at 06:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    –*Gallic Wars
    – Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

    –*Hundred Years War
    – Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; “France’s armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman.” Sainted. (Joan of Arc)

    –*Italian Wars
    – Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. (yup, that is real. *Remember Italy had a hurting put on it by Greece in WWII, Greece people!)

    –*Wars of Religion
    – France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots (and they still left France, mostly)

    –*Thirty Years War
    – France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

    –*War of Revolution
    – Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

    –*The Dutch War
    – Tied

    –*War of the Augsburg League/King William’s War/French and Indian War
    – Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles (i.e your average liberal college history Prof)*the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

    –*War of the Spanish Succession
    – Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved ever since.

    –*American Revolution
    – In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as “de Gaulle Syndrome”, and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; “France only wins when America does most of the fighting.”

    –*French Revolution
    – Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

    –*The Napoleonic Wars
    – Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

    –*The Franco-Prussian War
    – Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France’s ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

    –*World War I
    – Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it’s like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn’t call her “Fraulein.” Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

    –*World War II
    – Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

    –*War in Indochina
    – Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu (of course they teach effective methods of torture to the Indochinese, which will be used to great effect on Americans)

    –*Algerian Rebellion
    – Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; “We can always beat the French.” This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux. (but not Mexicans!)


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    The USA record.......
    Korean war: fought to a tie
    VietNam war: Lost
    Desert Storm: Kinda won but since we had to go back that's questionable.
    Iraq War: Lost
    Afghanistan: Lost or will eventually be.

    We no longer know how to win wars so our past record is meaningless just like France's. Forget your silly rankings, we are currently at war in Afghanistan who has jack shit for a military and we have been there 15 fucking years. If China wanted Afghanistan they could probably take it inside of a week.

    Yes if the ranking is military strength we are #1 but if the question is one of record we aren't.

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