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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Did Canada or Australia not think WWII was a good cause?

    Why didn't they mount their own attacks?

    Why did they wait for the US to bring them over to the fight?
    That's pretty ignorant even for a cow.

    Where'd you get that Ph.D of yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Did Canada or Australia not think WWII was a good cause?

    Why didn't they mount their own attacks?

    Why did they wait for the US to bring them over to the fight?
    Transcript from a wireless broadcast of the Australian Broadcasting Commission -

    DECLARATION OF WAR
    3 September 1939
    THE PRIME MINISTER ROBERT MENZIES

    "Fellow Australians,
    It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that in consequence of a persistence by Germany in her invasion of Poland, Great Britain has declared war upon her and that, as a result, Australia is also at war."
    https://menziesvirtualmuseum.org.au/audio/362-audio

    Below is an extract from a speech given by Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King in the House of Commons, in September, 1939.
    "...This morning, the king, speaking to his peoples at home and across the seas, appealed to all, to make their own, the cause of freedom, which Britain again has taken up. Canada has already answered that call. On Friday last, the government, speaking on behalf of the Canadian people, announced that in the event of the United Kingdom becoming engaged in war in the effort to resist aggression, they would, as soon as parliament meets, seek its authority for effective cooperation by Canada at the side of Britain."
    W. L. Mackenzie King Declares War

    Both these declarations occurred in September 1939, days after the invasion of Poland, and nearly three years before Americans were kicked into the war by Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war upon the USA.

    Might I recommend this source as a starting point?

    BBC - History For Kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    Transcript from a wireless broadcast of the Australian Broadcasting Commission -


    https://menziesvirtualmuseum.org.au/audio/362-audio


    W. L. Mackenzie King Declares War

    Both these declarations occurred in September 1939, days after the invasion of Poland, and nearly three years before Americans were kicked into the war by Pearl Harbor, and Hitler's declaration of war upon the USA.

    Might I recommend this source as a starting point?

    BBC - History For Kids
    I missed the part where Australia stormed Normandy beach?

    They had 3 years......what the hell were they doing?

    Oh yeah, waiting for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I missed the part where Australia stormed Normandy beach?

    They had 3 years......what the hell were they doing?

    Oh yeah, waiting for us.
    I can only assume you have not heard of -

    The Battle of Britain

    The Battle of Crete

    The Battle of Greece

    The Battle of 42nd Street

    The Battle of Ambon

    The Battle of Bardia

    The Battle of Beda Fomm

    The Battle of Beirut

    Operation Brevity

    Battle of Bukit Timah

    Battle of Damour

    The two Battles of El Alamein

    Battle of Heraklion

    The Kokoda Track campaign

    The Malayan campaign

    The Siege of Malta

    Battle of Merdjayoun

    The RAAF at Normandy

    Operation Sonnenblume

    The Battle of Rabaul

    The Battle of Singapore

    The Battle of Thermopylae

    The Battle of Timor

    The Siege of Tobruk

    Just a few of the nearly 140 campaigns and battles the Australians fought during WW2 - but these were before any Americans showed their faces in the European or Pacific theatres of war.

    And of course I have made no mention of the Royal Australian Navy which saw action in every theatre from September, 1939.

    So no, neither the Australians nor the Canadians, nor any other Commonwealth nations, waited for you.
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    They obviously didn't make any difference or we wouldn't have needed to show up.

    So basically they were irrelevant, glad they saw some action though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They obviously didn't make any difference or we wouldn't have needed to show up.

    So basically they were irrelevant, glad they saw some action though.
    Very disrespectful, given how many Aussies died fighting the Nazis while the US pandered to 'America First'. Perhaps you'd like to widen Buchanan's comment: "By keeping America out of World War II until Hitler attacked Stalin in June 1941, Soviet Russia, not America, bore the brunt of the fighting, bleeding and dying to defeat Nazi Germany."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    I'm not saying that.

    I am sure you would defend your nations to the death and very well.
    Jack Ma the billionaire Chinese businessman and owner of Alibaba pointed out that while China was investing in infrastructure and business...the US was spending TRILLIONS on war.

    It may be simplistic or even a dishonest comparison...but the US spending Trillions on war is indisputable.

    Maybe Canada and Australia are sober enough to know help an ally when the cause is just and don't when it serves no national interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They obviously didn't make any difference or we wouldn't have needed to show up.

    So basically they were irrelevant, glad they saw some action though.
    I am neither an Australian nor a Canadian by nationality, and I don't believe in 'internet tough guy' talk. But if you said that face to face with an Aussie or a Canadian - particularly an ex-serviceman, you would have need of a brush and pan - to pick your teeth up off the carpet. They, together with the rest of the Commonwealth, fought and died for nearly three years before you 'showed up'. And you did not voluntarily join the fray - Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and Hitler declared war on the USA - you had little choice in the matter.

    This is not to deny the sacrifices of so many Americans who fought bravely and well in the European and Pacific theatres, nor to demean the bravery of the US naval forces which assisted in protecting the convoys across the Atlantic, nor indeed to minimise the sacrifice of the seven US nationals who risked their citizenship to enrol as Canadians in the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Bravery knows no national boundaries, but it is pure mean spiritedness which denies the achievements and sacrifices of others.
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    I wouldn't hand him his teeth if he said it face to face. I'd take him to the War museum.

    Edit: but I'm not a vet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Did Canada or Australia not think WWII was a good cause?

    Why didn't they mount their own attacks?

    Why did they wait for the US to bring them over to the fight?
    Please read a comprehensive book about the PTO during WWII. Your ignorance is appalling.

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