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    Canada and Australia

    Yeah we keep hearing about how great you guys are in wars.

    Sure your soldiers are but they are soldiers, brave young men and women with no fear.

    That isn't the problem, its not about them.

    But how about one of you two nations lead a charge somewhere.

    There are plenty of messed up situations in the world so go ahead, what are you waiting for?

    How about we back you up for a change.

    No takers?

    Thought so.

    Next time people say we needed these guys to win a war I will break out in hysterical laughter.

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    Only Americans believe that everything can be solved by war...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    Only Americans believe that everything can be solved by war...
    They seem to have no problem jumping on board after the fact do they?

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    We barely participated in the Iraq war. Before that the US just tried to bully our government in joining in they war games.
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    You're right.

    I can explain the philosophy. The philosophy is that a war that only one country is waging by itself is - by definition - immoral. If you're fighting a war alone, that pretty much means you're the bad guy. Its obviously just naked self interest or adventurism.

    But you're right. There's no excuse that we lack the ability to conduct our own defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    You're right.

    I can explain the philosophy. The philosophy is that a war that only one country is waging by itself is - by definition - immoral. If you're fighting a war alone, that pretty much means you're the bad guy. Its obviously just naked self interest or adventurism.

    But you're right. There's no excuse that we lack the ability to conduct our own defense.
    I'm not saying that.

    I am sure you would defend your nations to the death and very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yeah we keep hearing about how great you guys are in wars.

    Sure your soldiers are but they are soldiers, brave young men and women with no fear.

    That isn't the problem, its not about them.

    But how about one of you two nations lead a charge somewhere.

    There are plenty of messed up situations in the world so go ahead, what are you waiting for?

    How about we back you up for a change.

    No takers?

    Thought so.

    Next time people say we needed these guys to win a war I will break out in hysterical laughter.
    Well, I am a citizen of the UK, but I have visited Canada a few times, and I am currently studying in Australia - so I'm quite interested in (but don't understand) the position you appear to be taking in relation to these two nations.

    What precisely are you expecting Australia - a nation of some twenty odd million - to do, and in relation to what situation? Are you expecting Australia to declare war upon Russia in respect of Crimea? Or perhaps on China, in relation to their man-made islands?

    Neither Australia nor Canada are in the business of empire building, and the last military initiative upon which Australia alone embarked was when it liberated East Timor from Indonesian forces. She did this with (albeit token) assistance from the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Portugal, and Thailand. Australian forces of 4,500 faced an Indonesian force of 22,000 (which it saw retreat), but despite the fact that military assistance was requested from Australia's great and powerful friend across the Pacific (with whom the Aussies share the ANZUS Treaty), the USA refused to send a single soldier. The Australian Foreign Minister was told that it was not in the USA's interest to interfere in Indonesian affairs.

    However, I expect the fact that the Indonesian invasion of East Timor was facilitated by US equipment and intelligence, had some bearing upon the matter, and as the Washington Post put it -

    U.S. officials 25 years ago supplied the names of thousands of members of the Indonesian Communist Party to the army in Jakarta, which at the time was hunting down the leftists and killing them in a crackdown branded as one of the century's worst massacres, former U.S. diplomats and CIA officials say.

    For the first time, the officials are acknowledging that they systematically compiled comprehensive lists of communist operatives, from the top echelons down to village cadres in Indonesia, the world's fifth most populous nation. As many as 5,000 names were furnished over a period of months to the army there, and the Americans later checked off the names of those who had been killed or captured, according to the former U.S. officials.
    So, I'm not quite sure why you appear to be criticising Australia and Canada for not bullying smaller nations around the world. Perhaps theirs is the reputation which is preferable - not many Canadians, for example, travel across Europe with US flags on their baggage in the hope that they will be mistaken for Americans - but the reverse has occurred.
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    I don't know exactly what was involved in Australia getting the forces they needed overseas.

    I know for us in Canada, when we wanted NATO to take action in Libya, had an actual foreign policy goal to overthrow Ghadaffi, had Germany and France and UK on board.... we couldn't do it. We all ended up going cap in hand to Obama and took the domestic public opinion hit to help us all out by taking command of the mission. The US took a non-combat role, except cruise missiles, but France and U.K. could have handled that. It was US command and satellites that we needed.

    That shouldn't be the case.

    We need a plan B. It's not 1945 anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Yeah we keep hearing about how great you guys are in wars.

    Sure your soldiers are but they are soldiers, brave young men and women with no fear.

    That isn't the problem, its not about them.

    But how about one of you two nations lead a charge somewhere.

    There are plenty of messed up situations in the world so go ahead, what are you waiting for?

    How about we back you up for a change.

    No takers?

    Thought so.

    Next time people say we needed these guys to win a war I will break out in hysterical laughter.
    What the fuck is WRONG with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    What the fuck is WRONG with you?
    Trolls gotta troll...
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