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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    This woman

    left her two small sons behind with her parents, and hid her pregnancy, to go join a militia


    She and those like her did not go to fight for Putin. They went to defend their land, THEIR Donbass.

    From people (not all, but plenty of them) who draw Nazi SS runes on themselves, proudly


    Here is a girl who lost a leg, fighting those same people, the ones Canada supports and want to give weapons to


    There are families there, in Donbass, who have had to bury small kids, because of Kiev, not Moscow

    These people now hate Ukraine; much like Syrians probably hate Assad and Russia; or Palestinians - Israel.

    A woman one of whose children was killed, and who herself lost a hand, in Ukrainian shelling


    Again, no offence, but you don't get it... Yes, Putin has his evil plans. But, the guys in Kiev are little better.
    ...and they haven't even started using nukes yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    ...and they haven't even started using nukes yet.
    Kiev doesn't have any, fortunately...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Kiev doesn't have any, fortunately...
    Agree, that's a good thing.

    I don't think Putey Poot Poot would need to use his, anyway.

    And no one wants to use theirs to defend Ukraine, because that could get messy in a hurry.
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    I’m not sure what Ukraine’s options were. Maybe I’m just not seeing it.

    How about this. Can someone complete this sentence.

    In 2014, after the collapse of the Yanikovych government over the bloodshed at the the protests, Russian military units without insignias entered parts of Ukraine and seized control of strategic points and infrastructure in Crimea, with the intent to annex the region. At this point, the Ukrainian government should have ....

    What could they have done? Just “accepted” it?
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    I see drones everwhere!!1!

    lol so thats the latest thing the duma is fearmongering the russia people with.. drones! gezzz just because the russian military got mass drone attacked doesn't mean Russia's neighbors are gonna drone the motherland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I’m not sure what Ukraine’s options were. Maybe I’m just not seeing it.

    How about this. Can someone complete this sentence.

    In 2014, after the collapse of the Yanikovych government over the bloodshed at the the protests, Russian military units without insignias entered parts of Ukraine and seized control of strategic points and infrastructure in Crimea, with the intent to annex the region. At this point, the Ukrainian government should have ....

    What could they have done? Just “accepted” it?
    That's actually NOT how it started.

    Yes, protests in Kiev. Yes, bloodshed there.

    But, as far as Crimea, it didn't start with Russian troops.

    It started... with funerals, actually.

    Funerals of local Berkut and other police officers


    who were murdered in Kiev, on Maidan, by armed thugs... pardon me, innocent peaceful protesters the West had supported; these nice guys




    Crimea was not the only region grieving its sons, in fact, dozens of Ukrainian police died on Maidan, from various places

    But only the "protesters" are remembered now...

    Crimea, though, was particularly enraged by it all. Many there never liked Kiev to begin with. This bloodbath helped push them over the edge.

    In February of 2014, when some Maidan activists attempted to hold an event in Kerch, Crimea, they were basically beaten and pelted with stuff and chased away by an angry mob, police barely able to protect them

    These were not "Russian troops", but ordinary Kerchians, Crimeans. And that was just the harbinger of what was to come. Here, later in February in Kerch, people fight with police and the then-Mayor, Oleg Osadchy, and take down the Ukrainian flag from city hall to replace with Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRkOXVEyaw

    Similar shit was going down all over Crimea. Russian flags were rising on town and city halls, on many police stations.

    The Berkut force defected to the separatists early on and set up checkpoints between the Peninsula and mainland Ukraine


    This all happened BEFORE the Russian troops came in and took over.

    And Donbass basically happened, because they thought Putin would also quickly take them in too, as with Crimea. But Putin had other plans. And didn't give a damn about all the loss of life, of course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    That's actually NOT how it started.

    Yes, protests in Kiev. Yes, bloodshed there.

    But, as far as Crimea, it didn't start with Russian troops.

    It started... with funerals, actually.

    Funerals of local Berkut and other police officers


    who were murdered in Kiev, on Maidan, by armed thugs... pardon me, innocent peaceful protesters the West had supported; these nice guys




    Crimea was not the only region grieving its sons, in fact, dozens of Ukrainian police died on Maidan, from various places

    But only the "protesters" are remembered now...

    Crimea, though, was particularly enraged by it all. Many there never liked Kiev to begin with. This bloodbath helped push them over the edge.

    In February of 2014, when some Maidan activists attempted to hold an event in Kerch, Crimea, they were basically beaten and pelted with stuff and chased away by an angry mob, police barely able to protect them

    These were not "Russian troops", but ordinary Kerchians, Crimeans. And that was just the harbinger of what was to come. Here, later in February in Kerch, people fight with police and the then-Mayor, Oleg Osadchy, and take down the Ukrainian flag from city hall to replace with Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPRkOXVEyaw

    Similar shit was going down all over Crimea. Russian flags were rising on town and city halls, on many police stations.

    The Berkut force defected to the separatists early on and set up checkpoints between the Peninsula and mainland Ukraine


    This all happened BEFORE the Russian troops came in and took over.

    And Donbass basically happened, because they thought Putin would also quickly take them in too, as with Crimea. But Putin had other plans. And didn't give a damn about all the loss of life, of course...
    But again, what could the Ukrainian government do?

    Flags being removed from public buildings? Loss of law and order. Mobs arming themselves. What could they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    But again, what could the Ukrainian government do?

    Flags being removed from public buildings? Loss of law and order. Mobs arming themselves. What could they do?
    There actually wasn't even a legitimate, functioning government in Kiev, at that time. The President had fled to Russia. I think they had started setting up some interim regime, made up of prominent Maidan figures.

    But, actually, a big part of why so many Ukrainian troops in Crimea simply surrendered to the Russians, when the latter came in, was precisely that they had no idea what to do and who the hell to turn to for their orders...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Crimea is not Ukraine, dude. Never really was, nor wanted to be. Just a fact...
    If Crimea wanted to be part of Russia so bad why did Putin need all those tanks to get it?
    Last edited by Jeremy; 12th January 2018 at 11:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    If Crimea wanted to be part of Russia so bad why did Putin need all those tanks to get it?
    Umm... There were pretty much no tanks there, actually.

    Just infantry on Tigers (Humvees), for the most part



    They quickly took over the airport

    and secured various government buildings


    and blocked off Ukrainian military and security forces in their bases

    and that was that.

    Some also did patrol the streets, for awhile, to ensure public order and such, until the whole government transition and all; and plenty of pro-Russian locals came to take pics with them and such, many carrying Russian flags


    Some even found the time to go shopping, while they were there



    All very quick and peaceful, actually. Even surprised the hell out of me. But, again, Crimea always was very, very pro-Russia. And there were plenty of locals among the Ukrainian forces there, who had no wish to fight either their own people or the Russians, whom many of them saw as comrades and brothers. Hell, many officers in Ukrainian military in Crimea were intermarried or otherwise related with officers in the Russian Black Sea Fleet over there...

    And, also, reportedly, Russian intel did a lot of work there, possibly all the way since at least 2008, since the war with Georgia, to maintain and intensify those pro-Russian sentiments, to use them when the time finally came...

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