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    Ukraine to attack Crimea with drones???

    A Russian State Duma deputy has warned of an impending drone attack planned by Ukrainian special services against the annexed Crimean peninsula.

    After Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, Moscow has repeatedly accused Kiev of plotting attacks against the Black Sea peninsula.

    Ex-Crimean Deputy Prime Minister Ruslan Balbek claimed that the drone attack would bear similarities to last week’s strike on Russian military installations in Syria, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency reported on Thursday.

    He said that the that the attack would be portrayed as an act of resistance by members of the Crimean Tatar community, which largely opposed Russia's annexation of the peninsula.

    “The saboteurs don’t believe in the successful outcome of the attack, the main goal is information noise,” he said.

    Balbek claimed that he was tipped off about the plan by members of the Ukrainian-based Crimean Tatar community.

    “The very fact that this will be claimed a ‘Crimean-Tatar resistance operation’ should have the effect of an exploding bomb,” he said.
    Ukraine Preparing An 'Attack of the Drones' on Crimea — Russian Deputy

    The drones that attempted to attack Khmeymim before

    and their payload

    That attack was not successful, the drones were either destroyed by firing on them or electronically overpowered and forced to land.

    Crimea boasts much more powerful defenses than Khmeymim

    including more S-400s being deployed there right now

    S-400 Deployment in Crimea Aiming to Ensure Russia's Security - Kremlin

    There have actually even heen claims that, back in 2014, right during the whole "crisis" over there, the Russians actually downed a US military drone over Crimea; although the Pentagon denied this: Russia claims to have downed U.S. drone over Crimea region; Pentagon denies

    The authorities in Crimea are paranoid as hell about Ukrainian infiltration.

    The FSB has arrested numerous people alleged to be Ukrainian spies and saboteurs



    One man was captured in 2016 with a bunch of tools on him, supposedly intending to damage a power line in the area


    They are even building a new fence/wall along the border with Ukraine, to secure the place:
    Russia Will Pay Millions to Fence Off Crimea From Ukraine
    The Construction of a Fence Between the Crimea and Ukraine Begins - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency

    But... Drones? I doubt that would work. Balbek (a pro-Russian Tatar himself, btw) says they tond intend for it to even succeed, or actually cause much damage or casualties. Rather, it's to be some kind of public statement. In the name of the Tatars too. But, how would they even get those things into Crimea? The security regime is only getting tighter there. Nah, it won't work.

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    Ukraine does understand that Crimea is now part of Russia, right?

    If they piss off Putin, he just may decide to take the rest of the country.

    And who would stop him?

    (Nobody)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Ukraine does understand that Crimea is now part of Russia, right?

    If they piss off Putin, he just may decide to take the rest of the country.

    And who would stop him?

    (Nobody)
    I doubt anything will actually happen.

    Balbek hates Ukraine, with a passion, and not without reason (they arrested and jailed him for awhile, back in 2011, for his pro-Russian activities in Crimea at the time; I would probably hold a grudge too, in his shoes); he rumbles and raves about Kiev and its evils plenty. And makes all kinds of outrageous, albeit unsubstantiated, claims about them.

    Before, he said Ukraine was letting Tatar and Chechen Islamist jihadis backed by Turkish military to set up training camps to raise some kind of a suicide army to attack Crimea. In the end, this turned out to be a few dozen ragtag Tatars and about same Ukrainian nationalist radicals, not all of them even armed lol Their biggest accomplishment was knocking down a pylon for a power line, disrupting electricity supply to Crimea, across the border. Long term result - Russia swt up own undersea cable network to get Crimea own power, and are now also building own power plants there, so Crimea will never have to depend on Ukrainian electricity again.

    Ajd it is, once again, Kiev, who is losing big money

    This is why I take all of Balbek's predictions with a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Ukraine does understand that Crimea is now part of Russia, right?

    If they piss off Putin, he just may decide to take the rest of the country.

    And who would stop him?

    (Nobody)
    Sadly, you're probably right.

    But you can't blame them for trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Sadly, you're probably right.

    But you can't blame them for trying.
    I can understand why they would want to try.

    They should acknowledge reality, though.

    Putin could crush them, and more importantly WOULD crush them, if so inclined.

    They should not provoke Putin.

    He seems inclined to use his military might without restraint to get what he wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I can understand why they would want to try.

    They should acknowledge reality, though.

    Putin could crush them, and more importantly WOULD crush them, if so inclined.

    They should not provoke Putin.

    He seems inclined to use his military might without restraint to get what he wants.
    They probably see the presidency of Trump as an opening so are doing what they can. Trump is unpredictable - so Putin likely doesn't know if the president would intervene or not. His actions in Syria would seem to indicate he might get involved. So I'm not sure if Putin is quite as brazen about retaliating as others might suggest.

    If I was heading up Ukraine I would be trying to get my country back also. And let's not forget - if anything provokes bullies like Putin it's weakness. Though I can't fault the realism of your logic - because Crimea is probably lost to them for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    They probably see the presidency of Trump as an opening so are doing what they can. Trump is unpredictable - so Putin likely doesn't know if the president would intervene or not. His actions in Syria would seem to indicate he might get involved. So I'm not sure if Putin is quite as brazen about retaliating as others might suggest.

    If I was heading up Ukraine I would be trying to get my country back also. And let's not forget - if anything provokes bullies like Putin it's weakness.
    When you poke the bear, don't be surprised when the bear bites you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    When you poke the bear, don't be surprised when the bear bites you.
    That's true. And as I added in my last post - I can't fault the realism of your logic - because Crimea is probably lost to them for good.

    But let's not forget it was Putin who poked them first. So I can't blame them for trying to poke back.

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    Absolutely none of this has to do with the United States. Hopefully Trump stays out of this nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Greenbean View Post
    Absolutely none of this has to do with the United States. Hopefully Trump stays out of this nonsense.
    US State Dept, btw, advised today against travel there lol

    The U.S. State Department listed Russia as one of the most dangerous countries to visit in a new travel advisory system released Wednesday, together with states including Sudan, Pakistan and Niger.

    The new four-tier advisory replaces the State Department's travel warnings and alerts system and is based on seven risk factors including crime, unrest and other incidents. Travelers to Level 1 countries are told to “Exercise Normal Precautions” while the Level 4 category means “Do Not Travel.”

    Russia is listed as a Level 3 country, to which travel should be reconsidered, according to the State Department.

    “Reconsider travel to Russia due to terrorism and harassment,” reads the State Department’s latest recommendation released on Wednesday.

    Travelers are warned not to visit the seven North Caucasus regions over fears of civil unrest, kidnapping and torture, along with the annexed Crimean peninsula due to “abuses by occupying authorities.”

    Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said the U.S. move was a scare tactic designed to divide the two nations.

    "If U.S. citizens massively come to Russia then they'll see with their own eyes that nothing that American public officials are scaring them with is actually true," she said.

    Nearly a quarter of a million U.S. tourists visit Russia each year, the Meduza news website cites official statistics as saying.

    "Increasing antagonisms among normal people is what the Russophobic campaign of figures like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain is based on," Zakharova said.
    U.S. Urges Travelers To Reconsider Visiting Russia

    Stupid as hell, IMHO

    Caucasus, yes, Caucasus is always a mess, always they have problems with crime, and extremism, and other shit. I grew up there, I know lol

    Rest of the country is more or less fine though.

    In Moscow, for example, the Metro has reinstalled a lot of their signage with English translations, for the convenience of foreign visitors riding their trains





    On some trains around Red Square and other areas popular with tourists, they even double the station announcements and such into English lol Annoys the hell out of many nationalist locals, but, again, helpful for the tourists hehe

    Lots of English signage on the streets too

    though the translation is not always great

    lol

    And also lots of Tourist Police, a whole special branch for helping foreigners in trouble; made up of officers handpicked for fluency in at least one foreign language ("fluency" presumes the ability to carry on a conversation in that language) and a friendly, open demeanor, ability to get on well with people, including of diverse races, cultures, and religions (now THAT is hard to find among most Russian cops lmao); they are so good at their job, that, in 2016, a group of colleagues from China, Shanghai police, I believe, visited Moscow to learn from their experience


    Nah, Moscow is perfectly fine for tourists nowadays. And St. Petersburg is similar now. And Sochi.

    And Crimea is alright too, long as you don't piss people off by walking around with a Ukrainian flag or something lol

    This guy, Pavel, a Russian-American originally from Crimea, who was a barista in New York, I think, moved back home after Crimea returned to Russia, and opened his own coffee house in Simferopol, he is famous now

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