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    War for the Azov?

    Ukrainian border forces on Sunday detained the Russian-flagged, Crimean-registered fishing vessel Nord in the Sea of Azov, along with her crew of 10 fishermen, charging the Nord of illegally crossing Ukraine's maritime borders.

    In response to the arrest, Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said Wednesday that Ukraine's State Border Guard Service had "hijacked" the Nord. The shipowner, a collective named "First of May," has appealed directly to the Russian Foreign Ministry for diplomatic intervention, according to maritime-executive.com.

    "The actions of the Border Guard Service of Ukraine are illegal and dangerous for the life and safety of the citizens of the Russian Federation and we ask that they take prompt measures to return the vessel . . . and its crew to the port of Kerch," the collective wrote.

    According to the Ukrainian border guard service, the Nord was detained off the Obytichna peninsula, a spit extending into the northern end of the Sea of Azov. The service said that the Nord had papers showing that she was registered in Kerch, Crimea, and its crew possessed Crimean-issued passports identifying them as Russian citizens.

    Russia illegally annexed the Crimean peninsula in 2014, now considering it Russian territory. Ukraine and the international community stress that Crimea is still part of Ukraine. The Ukrainian government has implemented a national ban on vessels and seafarers with records of making port calls in Crimea, and it asserts that these ports are legally closed under Ukrainian law.

    The Nord has been taken to Berdaynsk, a small Ukrainian port near Mariupol. The shipowner said that the crew had been interrogated by Ukrainian authorities and were forbidden to leave the vessel. They face charges of "illegally crossing the border," and the Nord's master has been charged with a "violation of the order of entry into the occupied territory of Ukraine," meaning Crimea.

    If convicted, the crew of the Nord could face up to 15 days of administrative arrest. The master could be imprisoned for up to three years.
    Ukraine, Russia face off over fishing boat

    The "Nord"



    Azov Sea location, smack in between Crimea, Russia, and Ukraine


    Well, if the idiots in Kiev were looking for a fight they ain't gonna win, they may just be about to get one.

    Russian Navy, specifically their Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, are now considering moving into the Azov full force to defend Crimean and other Russian shipping from "Ukrainian state piracy":

    "The threat of Ukrainian state piracy has already emerged: if the appropriate order is received, the Black Sea Fleet, including its aviation, will begin to ensure the safety of Russian shipping, that is, will be present in the north-eastern part of the Black Sea and in the zone of the Azov basin," the source said.
    Russian Navy Considering Permanent Presence in Northeastern Part of Black Sea



    All Ukraine has in Azov, are a bunch of small cutters. In fact, they don't even have much of a Navy anymore. Most of their biggest, mightiest vessels (some of them in pretty bad shape to begin with), were left in Crimea, some of them, the still good ones, have now joined the Russian Navy, while others the Russians are holding in storage and even prepared to give back to the Ukros (they are just so rusted and decrepit, they don't know what to do with them lol)

    Anyhow, point is, a sea war in the Azov will go very badly very fast for Ukraine. I don't know what they are thinking, that the US Navy will rush in there to save them? What?

    And confrontation on a Azov could heat things up on the ground too, in Donbass, right on the shores there. Plenty of men there, on both sides, Kiev army and pro-Russian separatists, itching for another round already, bored, sitting around in trenches for two fucking years of stalemate, they want more action, God knows...

    I do hope cooler heads still prevail over there... No need for more bloodshed.
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    Ukraine’s border patrol service has threatened to detain all ships sailing in and out of the annexed Crimean peninsula a week after detaining a Russian-flagged vessel and taking its captain into custody.

    Russia accused Ukrainian border guards of hijacking the Crimean fishing vessel on March 25 after Kiev charged its crew of 10 with illegally crossing the border. Russia’s seizure of the peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 was met with Western sanctions and Kiev continues to label Crimea temporarily occupied territory.

    “Law enforcement bodies will react immediately to violations of entry and exit patterns from and into the occupied territory,” Oleg Slobodyan, Ukraine’s border guard spokesman, said in an interview with Ukraine’s Obozrevatel website Wednesday.

    Days after being charged with illegal border crossing by Ukrainian prosecutors, the Russian vessel’s captain, Vladimir Gorbenko, was reportedly taken to a court in the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson.

    “Very serious charges could be brought against the defendant, it’s yet unclear which,” Gorbenko’s lawyer Dmitry Shcherbin told the state-run TASS news agency.

    The Ukrainian border control said in an online statement later that it was providing the necessary provisions to the vessel’s crew, including food, medicine and access to lawyers.
    Ukraine Border Patrol Threatens to Detain All Ships Sailing Out of Crimea

    This guy s seriously not gonna end well... At the very least, plenty in Russia, including a Presidential Advisor of Putin's, are demanding they block off the Kerch Straight, thus sealing off Azov and effectively blockading a number of big Ukrainian port cities, until the Russian vessel and it's crew are released.

    The Ukrops are playing with fire...

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    SIMFEROPOL (Crimea) (Sputnik) - The Kherson city court released on Thursday the captain of a Russian fishing vessel, seized by the Ukrainian authorities on March 25, until further hearings on Friday, Dmitry Shcherbina, a lawyer representing the crew of the Russian vessel, said.
    More: Captain of Russian Fishing Vessel Released by Ukraine Court

    Vladimir Gorbenko, captain of the "Nord"


    With other crew members on board the ship, where they are being held


    Meanwhile:

    An operational group to prevent piracy by Ukraine has been established by the Azov-Black Sea territorial administration.

    The Russian side has decided to create a group of operational forces in the Sea of ​​Azov to fight Ukrainian pirates, which are capturing ships that fly the flag of the Russian Federation. This was reported to journalists on Thursday by representatives of the Azov Scientific Research Institute of Fisheries.

    Igor Rolev, head of Fisheries for the region, noted that the agency will coordinate actions with Russian border guards, providing information on the location of fishing vessels in the Azov Sea. The reaction of the department is connected with the arbitrary actions the State Border Service of Ukraine, who at the end of March 2018 hijacked the Crimean fishing ship “Nord”.

    All ten crew are Russian nationals and have not yet been released, however reports say the captain has been hospitalised. The Ukrainian border patrol demand the crew renounce Russian citizenship.
    Pirates of the Azov Sea: Russia sends protection squad

    The whole "demand renounce citizenship" thing and any other alleged mistreatments of the crew are according to Russian media. I have no way to confirm or deny such allegations.

    Anyway, so this is interesting, the Fisheries department will work with the Coast Guard on this


    Basically, Crimean and other Russian fishing vessels out there

    if they see a Ukrainian patrol boat approaching, are to radio, I guess, Fisheries, this new department within the department, who will dispatch Russian Coast Guard to their location to chase away the Ukrainians.

    At the very least, it seems they maybe will not actually use the Navy. Bringing in the military is far too dangerous. Especially now, when there are negotiations about UN peacekeepers for Donbass and such. Nobody wants more bullets flying right now. Instead, Russia is taking a page from China's book, their approach to the South China Sea

    But the Coast Guard are pretty fucking aggressive too. They have, for example, shot and killed a Japanese fisherman around the Kurils; and shot up, rammed, and SANK a Chinese fishing boat out there too.

    They have pretty big patrol ships in Crimea too, the Coast Guard

    with the AK-630 automatic cannon and all


    Ukrainian Coast Guard vessel


    They are also getting two hand-me-down old Coast Guard boats like this from the US soon too

    Ukraine to receive two former US Coast Guard Island-class cutters

    I have a feeling it's gonna get real interesting in Azov soon...

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    Olga Kovitidi, former Deputy PM of Crimea and now one of Crimea's senators in Russia's Federation Council

    just said, on a Russian TV show, smiling in her usual vaguely evil mysterious way, that Ukraine will be getting a nasty surprise of some kind soon enough. After that, the Ukrainians, she said, will be hurrying to return the "Nord" and her crew to Russia, safe and sound.

    Hell... I'm getting a bad feeling.

    Olga Kovitidi is a scary lady.

    Here she is in Syria, wearing a Russian military khaki uniform, and writing "Greetings from Crimea!" on a big bomb, to whichever poor bastard that gets dropped on

    If she promises someone "a surprise they will npt enjoy", on TV... I would run... lol

    Good news is, she says this "surprise", whatever it may be, will mean Russia will NOT need to resort to military force to free those sailors (many want to send special forces in there already...)

    So, perhaps there will not be bloodshed...

    Time will tell...

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    Does Ukraine still exist?

    Ukraine gots talent is off the air, I thought they were gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Does Ukraine still exist?

    Ukraine gots talent is off the air, I thought they were gone.
    All that was nice about that place is gone, for sure...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    All that was nice about that place is gone, for sure...
    Damn, I thought they had joined the real world.

    Sad to hear.

    What should we do, I liked that show.

    Its where I found my true love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Damn, I thought they had joined the real world.

    Sad to hear.

    What should we do, I liked that show.

    Its where I found my true love.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sVCZ8GsLTU
    lol I've seen better... All the hottest Ukrainian chicks are in Moscow now, bro

    Like Ani Lorak, Ukraine's Beyonce/Shakira/Jennifer Lopez... you get the idea







    Back in November, she did a concert in Kiev, for first time in three fucking years; and then went right back to Moscow, where she and her family been spending most of their time since 2014 haha

    You'd be shocked how many Ukrainian celebs have relocated to Russia since the start of the conflict. It's just a much bigger market, if they had to choose sides... It's a financial question. In exchange, the Ukrainians got some secondary role actor from obscure TV shows, whom nobody even heard of, until he announced he was moving to Kiev for ideological reasons, because supposedly disagreed with Putin on Crimea and Donbass. Him, in exchange for Ani fucking Lorak. You can see why the Ukrops are pissed off lmao

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    Be careful or the left will accuse us of being Russian bots.





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    From Moscow’s point of view, its loss of control over much of the Black Sea littoral and ports as a result of the disintegration of the Soviet Union is a serious problem, one that Russian moves first in Abkhazia and then in Crimea were intended to help solve. Indeed, even before the Crimean annexation in 2014, Russian commentators talked about depriving Ukraine of its access to the sea by creating a new “Novorossiya” state that would extend to the borders of Moldova and possibly even include Transnistria (see EDM, May 27, 2014; September 2, 2014). Now, in the wake of Ukraine’s seizure of two vessels for violating its territorial waters (see below), Moscow officials are openly suggesting that the Russian Navy could limit or even block the transit of Ukrainian ships, civilian and military, through the Kerch Straits. This would effectively make the Sea of Azov an internal Russian waterway, something officials in Moscow had hinted at in the past, in discussions about the supposed need to defend President Vladimir Putin’s Crimea bridge from attack (see EDM, February 12, 2018).

    Were Russian forces to introduce an inspection regime or even block the passage of Ukrainian ships through the Strait altogether, that would reduce Ukraine’s capacity to connect with the outside world, solidify Russian control over Crimea and Donbas, and give Moscow added leverage over Kyiv. As a result, what may appear to be of only marginal interest, is part of the Kremlin’s plan to weaken or even destroy Ukraine. It thus merits both the closest attention and a firm Western response, given what appears to be a carefully crafted campaign by Moscow to present what it is doing not as a power grab but rather as a reflection of its concern to ensure safety and security on the sea.

    On March 25, the Ukrainian border guard service detained the Russian-flagged fishing vessel Nord, which was operating in Ukrainian waters, in the Sea of Azov. The boat, registered in Crimea, and its ten crew members were escorted to the Azov Sea port of Berdiansk (Dpsu.gov.ua, March 26). They are currently awaiting trial in Ukraine. Then, on April 10, Ukrainian authorities arrested a Russian dredger ship, temporarily docked in the Odessa-region port of Yuzhny, for allegedly carrying out illegal sand extraction works in occupied Crimea (TASS, April 10).

    Following the detention of the Nord, Mikhail Nenashev, the head of the All-Russian Movement for the Support of the Fleet and a frequent bellwether of Moscow’s plans, said that “in order to stop piracy by the Banderite [sic] authorities of Ukraine, it is necessary to warn Kyiv that Russia has various instruments to oppose its actions.” Nenashev continued that Moscow “can, for example, limit the passage of Ukrainian ships through the Kerch Strait, especially since the Ukrainian side always has many problems with security on its aging ships. They objectively require heightened control, and, therefore, we have the opportunity to oppose the barbaric policy of the Kyiv authorities against our sailors” (RIA Novosti, Ruposters.ru, April 4).

    He claimed that in the Nord case, the Ukrainian side “violated all norms of international law of the sea,” and, consequently, “they are in no way distinguishable from the Somali pirates” against whom the international community has united. Unless Kyiv backs down, releases the Russian ship, and commits to never do something like this again, Nenashev asserted, “I think military measures will be taken,” given that Russia has international law and practice on its side (RIA Novosti, April 4).

    Senior Russian officials have echoed this line. Georgy Muradov, Putin’s presidential representative in Crimea, alleged that the detention of the Nord is illegal and that Moscow must take action in response. While the Russian foreign ministry has handed a note of protest to the Ukrainian embassy in Moscow (Krymr.com, April 5). Moreover, Ukrainian and Russian experts are clearly worried that the situation risks spiraling out of control. Moscow is exploiting the Nord case to militarize the situation in the Sea of Azov. But Kyiv shows no sign of backing down from its right to control its territorial waters. Moreover, the latter continues to object to Moscow’s actions, including the construction of the Kerch Bridge to Russian-occupied Crimea.

    Aleksandr Musiyenko, who heads the Kyiv Center for Military-Legal Research, said that Moscow plans to increase its military presence in the sea not so much in response to the Nord case, although that is a good cover, but rather in order to be in a position to defend the Kerch Bridge against possible attack. “I think,” he noted, “Russia could dispatch light cutters for permanent basing in the Sea of Azov” because it cannot put larger vessels there given the height of the bridge. Such relatively small vessels, the Ukrainian expert argued, could be put out of commission easily by Ukrainian forces in the event of an open conflict (Krymr.com, April 5).

    But there is another way in which these Russian ships may be used, one more threatening because it is less likely to attract international attention until it might be too late. Oleg Zhdanov, a retired Ukrainian colonel, suggested that Russia could use these ships in the Sea of Azov both to gather intelligence about Ukraine and to conduct diversionary actions against it. “Russia is taking control of the Sea of Azov de facto and seeking to make it an internal waterway.” If that effort remains unchallenged, it will not be long before Moscow seeks to impose transit charges and inspections for all ships passing through the Kerch Strait. That, Zhdanov pointed out, carries with it the risk of “military clashes” (Krymr.com, April 5).

    Russian experts like Aleksandr Golts are also worried about clashes, but they argue that Kyiv sparked the crisis by seizing the Nord and that the Ukrainian authorities must back down before the situation deteriorates further. “Of course,” Golts said, Ukrainian actions have nothing to do with piracy despite Moscow’s claims; but Ukraine’s move in the current situation was “not the wisest step,” and the Sea of Azov now risks becoming the next flashpoint in the Russian-Ukrainian war (Krymr.com, April 5; Nezavisimaya Gazeta, April 12).
    Russian Navy Preparing to Bottle up Ukrainian Shipping in Sea of Azov

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