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Thread: There was only one world war.... starting Jul 28, 1914 and ending September 2, 1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Yet the "Wars" are taught and thought of as separate in schools and public minds.
    I think a single world war is a more accurate representation of the facts.
    American historian Stephen Ambrose (who incidentally also wrote "Band of Brothers") certainly voiced that perspective in the 1970s in the British "The World At War" TV documentary (which I always defer to when it comes to WWII).

    https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x125mzn?start=280

    "You had a European civil war that began in 1914. There was a long armistice in that war. Finally comes to an end in 1945. In the process of coming to the end, what happens is that sweeping into Europe from the outside are the Russians and the Americans. And they meet at Torgau on the Elbe River in May of 1945. With the result that no European nation wins the European Civil War. The winners in the European Civil War are in fact outsiders, the Russians and the Americans. Most of all the Americans."
    (Ambrose has some damn good comments on the war throughout that episode.)

    Though I have also seen some suggest, that this single war didn't end untill the reunification of Germany in 1990; and others again have suggested that it hasn't even ended yet, 'cause its outcome is what's leading to the Third World War. So that it isn't a new Thirty Years War, but a new Hundred Years War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. Devil,

    I left out the mongal Conquest which spread from eastern Asia, Asia minor, and a large portion of Europe, and which killed a greater percentage of the World population than WWII.

    What it appears is that you have a very shallow definition of World War.
    Can we go with Wiki's?

    A world war, is a large-scale war involving many of the countries of the world or many of the most powerful and populous ones. World wars span multiple countries on multiple continents, with battles fought in many theaters. While a variety of global conflicts have been subjectively deemed "world wars", such as the Cold War and the War on Terror, the term is widely and generally accepted only as it is retrospectively applied to two major international conflicts that occurred during the 20th century: World War I (1914–1918) and World War II (1939–1945).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    But then you could argue that the Korean War was merely an extension of World War II and the Vietnam War was merely an extension of the Korean War.
    Those are most often considered Proxy Wars as an extension to the Cold War. Which in itself would then be an extension to WWI/II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Well, an 'armistice' was turned into a defeat at Versailles, and Nazism bears no relationship to 'socialism' (how many times does this fact have to be explained?), and it comes under the umbrella of 'Totalitarianism'. The term 'Socialism' was a leftover from the original party formed by trade unions which was later hijacked by Hitler and altered to suit his own ends.

    I really get sick of explaining this on here.
    The truth is never enough. Even the Polish are trying to shun parts of it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlGuy View Post
    Any unfairness of the Treaty of Versailles might have roots in the treaty following the Franco-Prussian war which required France to pay 5 billion in gold.
    And all the French could see in 1919 were all their dead. While being blind to everyone else's dead, especially the Germans'. Why round one had started in the first place and how it may not have been entirely Germany's fault didn't render into it. It had to go to round two before they too could see the shortcomings of blind vengeance. Which in turn someone forgot to teach the Russians, which is why we're now staring towards round three.

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