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    Donbass seps show OWN missiles

    The separatist Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics in East Ukraine had own Victory Day celebrations and parades on May 9th, mostly, nothing new, lots of lots of troops and tanks and artillery and whatnot




    But, in Donetsk specifically, they showed something else: weapons of, apparently, their own manufacture.

    From high calibre rifles

    and sub-machine guns

    to small drones (which, based on the description on the sign next to it, can carry a "useful load", a bomb, perhaps?)

    and, finally, to own missile launchers



    This video shows those things launching


    Seems they finally got own defence industry going, no longer need constant resupply convoys from Russia... And this is also a message at Kiev, no doubt too, where some see to be itching for another round: bring it on, motherfuckers.... Some Ukrainians keep saying, oh, our army is not like it was in 2014, they will kick your ass. What they don't get is, the separatists are also at a whole other level from '14 too. The two "Peoples Republics" are, together, better armed than plenty of NATO-member European countries... If it goes off again, it will probably be a much bigger and bloodier conflict, that will take Syria and ISIS out of the headlines...

    I hope those UN peacekeepers are coming there soon, I really do.
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    No replies. Incredible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    No replies. Incredible.
    To be fair, few here would even know this place exists, if I didn't write a lot about it lol

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    How are the governments of the Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples' Republics paying for all of this hardware, I wonder. Is it mainly due to Putin's largess? I can see him "gifting" some weaponry to keep Kiev tied up and tied down, but it looks as if he's opened up the armory doors. And now apparently there's homegrown manufacturing too? Seems like a dangerous game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    How are the governments of the Donetsk and Lugansk Peoples' Republics paying for all of this hardware, I wonder. Is it mainly due to Putin's largess? I can see him "gifting" some weaponry to keep Kiev tied up and tied down, but it looks as if he's opened up the armory doors. And now apparently there's homegrown manufacturing too? Seems like a dangerous game...

    Cheers.

    Ukraine has a robust weapons industry (which is why putin is royally pissed over what happened in 2014), perhaps some of those factories are in the Donbas?

    After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited strategic arms production facilities specializing, for example, in heavy missile parts, transport aircraft, jet engines, naval gas turbines and armored vehicles. Ukraine and Russia entered into a near-symbiotic arms-producing relationship, and Russia leased the Sevastopol naval base and the NITKA aircraft carrier pilot training center on Crimea. The 2014 breakup of this arrangement proved highly disruptive. Both countries lost at once their most important arms supplier and a major export market. Overcapacities in Russia and Ukraine have put pressure on cash-strapped industries to quickly find new customers, and China is able to take advantage of that.
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/mili...nd-china/After
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Ukraine has a robust weapons industry (which is why putin is royally pissed over what happened in 2014), perhaps some of those factories are in the Donbas?

    After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited strategic arms production facilities specializing, for example, in heavy missile parts, transport aircraft, jet engines, naval gas turbines and armored vehicles. Ukraine and Russia entered into a near-symbiotic arms-producing relationship, and Russia leased the Sevastopol naval base and the NITKA aircraft carrier pilot training center on Crimea. The 2014 breakup of this arrangement proved highly disruptive. Both countries lost at once their most important arms supplier and a major export market. Overcapacities in Russia and Ukraine have put pressure on cash-strapped industries to quickly find new customers, and China is able to take advantage of that.
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/mili...nd-china/After
    Interesting... Most of the discussion I've seen to date about why Putin is willing to invest so much in helping the Donbas rebels centers on a desire to keep the Ukraine off balance, out of NATO, and with relatively weak ties to the EU and/or because Russia wants to control untapped natural gas reserves in the region. I can see how specialized industrial capacity could potentially factor into the equation as well. Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedminator View Post
    Ukraine has a robust weapons industry (which is why putin is royally pissed over what happened in 2014), perhaps some of those factories are in the Donbas?

    After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited strategic arms production facilities specializing, for example, in heavy missile parts, transport aircraft, jet engines, naval gas turbines and armored vehicles. Ukraine and Russia entered into a near-symbiotic arms-producing relationship, and Russia leased the Sevastopol naval base and the NITKA aircraft carrier pilot training center on Crimea. The 2014 breakup of this arrangement proved highly disruptive. Both countries lost at once their most important arms supplier and a major export market. Overcapacities in Russia and Ukraine have put pressure on cash-strapped industries to quickly find new customers, and China is able to take advantage of that.
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/11/mili...nd-china/After
    lol There is a Ukrainian oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov. He owned most of the factories in Donbass before the conflict. He still collects profits from many of them, has an arrangement we the separatist bosses; and lives comfortably in Kiev; while his factories repair the seps tanks and other weapons, and now have, yes, make new ones too. I think he finally divested recently haha

    What a fucked up place, ex-USSR...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    lol There is a Ukrainian oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov. He owned most of the factories in Donbass before the conflict. He still collects profits from many of them, has an arrangement we the separatist bosses; and lives comfortably in Kiev; while his factories repair the seps tanks and other weapons, and now have, yes, make new ones too. I think he finally divested recently haha

    What a fucked up place, ex-USSR...
    That's just how bloody corrupt Ukraine has become.
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    huh neat multi purpose pack mule from the Ukes..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Interesting... Most of the discussion I've seen to date about why Putin is willing to invest so much in helping the Donbas rebels centers on a desire to keep the Ukraine off balance, out of NATO, and with relatively weak ties to the EU and/or because Russia wants to control untapped natural gas reserves in the region. I can see how specialized industrial capacity could potentially factor into the equation as well. Thanks for the info.

    Cheers.
    Losing Ukraine was a big hit to Russia for sure.. Comparable to if TX seceded violently from the USA imo.

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